Can someone tell me in simple words why there are two free Radeon drivers anyway and how they differ and why X.Org decided to kick radeonhd and what this means for the future? Am I right that the joint efforts with ATi go into radeonhd, not into radeon? Dex -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d--(+)@ s-:+ a C++++ UL++ P+>++ L+++>++++ E-- W++ N o? K- w--(---) !O M+ V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP t++(---)@ 5 X+(++) R+(++) tv--(+)@ b++(+++) DI+++ D- G++ e* h>++ r* y? ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: radeonhd+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: radeonhd+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:44:01PM +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote:
Can someone tell me in simple words why there are two free Radeon drivers anyway and how they differ and why X.Org decided to kick radeonhd and what this means for the future?
Am I right that the joint efforts with ATi go into radeonhd, not into radeon?
Dex
Radeonhd was just dropped from the standard build script that barely anyone uses anyway. Luc Verhaegen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: radeonhd+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: radeonhd+help@opensuse.org
Luc Verhaegen schrieb:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:44:01PM +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote:
Can someone tell me in simple words why there are two free Radeon drivers anyway and how they differ and why X.Org decided to kick radeonhd and what this means for the future?
Am I right that the joint efforts with ATi go into radeonhd, not into radeon?
Dex
Radeonhd was just dropped from the standard build script that barely anyone uses anyway.
Luc Verhaegen.
but i think the question remains since there is porting back and forth and both drivers are about at the same mileage regarding current chips: why not merge them into one driver and join forces? Greetings Michael
Michael Gaber wrote:
Luc Verhaegen schrieb:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:44:01PM +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote:
Can someone tell me in simple words why there are two free Radeon drivers anyway and how they differ and why X.Org decided to kick radeonhd and what this means for the future?
Am I right that the joint efforts with ATi go into radeonhd, not into radeon? Dex Radeonhd was just dropped from the standard build script that barely anyone uses anyway.
Luc Verhaegen.
but i think the question remains since there is porting back and forth and both drivers are about at the same mileage regarding current chips: why not merge them into one driver and join forces?
I think because the one is mainly developed by Novell and the other by Red Hat and there's commercial tension between the two :P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: radeonhd+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: radeonhd+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:00:26AM +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I think because the one is mainly developed by Novell and the other by Red Hat and there's commercial tension between the two :P
AMD decided to work with SUSE (which is novell owned though) on this open source project soon a year and a half ago. Luc Verhaegen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: radeonhd+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: radeonhd+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:06:14PM +0200, Michael Gaber wrote:
Luc Verhaegen schrieb:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:44:01PM +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote:
Can someone tell me in simple words why there are two free Radeon drivers anyway and how they differ and why X.Org decided to kick radeonhd and what this means for the future?
Am I right that the joint efforts with ATi go into radeonhd, not into radeon?
Dex
Radeonhd was just dropped from the standard build script that barely anyone uses anyway.
Luc Verhaegen.
but i think the question remains since there is porting back and forth and both drivers are about at the same mileage regarding current chips: why not merge them into one driver and join forces?
Greetings Michael
Well, please go and ask those people who started the competing project what their motivations were to do so. Luc Verhaegen. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: radeonhd+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: radeonhd+help@opensuse.org
Luc Verhaegen
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:06:14PM +0200, Michael Gaber wrote:
Luc Verhaegen schrieb:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:44:01PM +0200, Dexter Filmore wrote:
Can someone tell me in simple words why there are two free Radeon drivers anyway and how they differ and why X.Org decided to kick radeonhd and what this means for the future?
Am I right that the joint efforts with ATi go into radeonhd, not into radeon?
Dex
Radeonhd was just dropped from the standard build script that barely anyone uses anyway.
Luc Verhaegen.
but i think the question remains since there is porting back and forth and both drivers are about at the same mileage regarding current chips: why not merge them into one driver and join forces?
Greetings Michael
Well, please go and ask those people who started the competing project what their motivations were to do so.
Hi, Since there are two drivers around for the my hardware (r500 card), I got two questions :) How does radeonhd get along with kernel modesetting which was recently switched on by default in Fedora 10 kernel builds, for radeons? Also, as recent Xorg can now work without xorg.conf and (seems to) autodetect which driver to load, what happens with radeonhd in this scenario when there is a r500 or higher card present in the system? (especially in cases when also "radeon" driver package is present). Greets, Srecko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: radeonhd+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: radeonhd+help@opensuse.org
Srecko Morovic wrote:
How does radeonhd get along with kernel modesetting which was recently switched on by default in Fedora 10 kernel builds, for radeons?
For me (owning R500, maintaining the Fedora radeonhd package), radeonhd works about as well or bad as radeon on F10. That means, among other things, no working resume-from-RAM with KMS.
Also, as recent Xorg can now work without xorg.conf and (seems to) autodetect which driver to load, what happens with radeonhd in this scenario when there is a r500 or higher card present in the system? (especially in cases when also "radeon" driver package is present).
The hardware database shipped in Fedora does not know anything about radeonhd, and thus will pick radeon for all cards supported by radeon when radeon (-ati package) is installed. If -ati is not installed... probably Xorg will fall back to vesa or something like that. To actually use radeonhd, you need at least a minimal xorg.conf. Given my limited familiarity with the Xorg software universe, I (as Fedora's -radeonhd package maintainer) am quite content not to be responsible for the failures in the default install on a common class of hardware. -- Hans Ulrich Niedermann
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Michael Gaber
Luc Verhaegen schrieb:
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Luc Verhaegen.
but i think the question remains since there is porting back and forth and both drivers are about at the same mileage regarding current chips: why not merge them into one driver and join forces?
Greetings Michael
There are many examples of competing projects in the open source world. They often share code and techniques for dealing with the same problems. They always seem to converge in some respects and diverge in others. In the world of open source this sort of outcome is almost always beneficial. Each project gets to try different approaches and if there is a solution that is clearly better it gets absorbed into both. Other differentiating approaches often work well in one case and not in another. This allows one project to fill a niche that the other doesn't and vice versa. So long as both projects have differing philosophies and take different approaches there is no wasted effort. Those that do not work out well define the other solution as the winner. In the end both benefit from the other so in reality we have joined forces. Conn -- Conn O. Clark Observation: In formal computer science advances are made by standing on the shoulders of giants. Linux has proved that if there are enough of you, you can advance just as far by stepping on each others toes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: radeonhd+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: radeonhd+help@opensuse.org
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