Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-project] Religious and political views in packages
Is this thread what it meant to be?
Starting a discussion about not offending people with biased religious
views, taking neutral stance, but using words like 'bedtime story',
fairytales, imaginary beings, ... seems to be a frustrated try that
would be better to never happen.
I must say that It is a funny rationale, to not say tragic.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Michael Meeks
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 12:50 +0200, Ciaran Farrell wrote:
Some examples of content which are not permissable: * Comic book art files * Religious text * mp3 files (patent encumbered
It should be pointed out that SWORD itself is not a religious text, it is software for reading such texts :-) Indeed, I have no doubt it could be made Cthulhu compatible (or whatever) with little effort. I suspect including religious texts offends some minority of militant athiests / secularists who make it a hot topic. Including such material in proportion to its relevance seems entirely reasonable to me (as a biased Christian of course ;-)
Then again - if people are easily offended they probably need to read the 'fortune -o' output in a tight loop until a healthy sense of humour, and an appreciation for the ridiculous starts to develop :-)
ATB,
Michael.
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On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:35 -0300, aledr wrote:
Is this thread what it meant to be? Starting a discussion about not offending people with biased religious views, taking neutral stance, but using words like 'bedtime story', fairytales, imaginary beings, ... seems to be a frustrated try that would be better to never happen. I must say that It is a funny rationale, to not say tragic.
Welcome to the "open" world of the champions of "tolerance" [ "tolerance" meaning "bigotry which is too high-minded to recognize itself" ]. If this were a software package about Asatru would anyone care? I really doubt it. This is just another special-purpose software-package that isn't installed by default; I can't bring myself to care about the text in their package info so long as it isn't profane and doesn't directly incite violence [of course, what about the descriptions of many *games*?] And (a) insulting people with religious beliefs and then (b) being insulted on their behalf.... Really??? As they say "whatever!". As someone who interacts regularly with religiously devote people - 99.44% of them wouldn't even take notice of the text in this package description. Could you find someone somewhere that would be offended? Sure, and that is always true. Rather than [pretending to] take insult on someone else's behalf why not just operate in good-faith [pun intended] and publish the text; then if someone in the real-world actually takes offense the board can make a policy. Otherwise this is all just boxing shadows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:35 -0300, aledr wrote:
Is this thread what it meant to be? Starting a discussion about not offending people with biased religious views, taking neutral stance, but using words like 'bedtime story', fairytales, imaginary beings, ... seems to be a frustrated try that would be better to never happen. I must say that It is a funny rationale, to not say tragic.
Welcome to the "open" world of the champions of "tolerance" [ "tolerance" meaning "bigotry which is too high-minded to recognize itself" ].
If this were a software package about Asatru would anyone care? I really doubt it.
This is just another special-purpose software-package that isn't installed by default; I can't bring myself to care about the text in their package info so long as it isn't profane and doesn't directly incite violence
I think Adam's got the right end of the stick here. Why don't we just leave this particular can of worms until someone actually feels offended? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 09/09/2011 15:54, Per Jessen a écrit :
I think Adam's got the right end of the stick here. Why don't we just leave this particular can of worms until someone actually feels offended?
sorry, but this is the worst thing. Other distros seems to reject such package. I think we can accept them, give, the wording can't be offensive for any other. If the maintainer agree, why bother... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 09 Sep 2011 16:03:23 jdd wrote:
Other distros seems to reject such package. I think we can accept them, give, the wording can't be offensive for any other. If the maintainer agree, why bother...
I find your interpretation of other distros rejection quite offencive. I submit that while we may tolerate your objectionable views, we should dismiss them as a minority view. Salutation, Graham -- "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." — Christopher Hitchens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 09.09.2011 15:54, schrieb Per Jessen:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:35 -0300, aledr wrote:
Is this thread what it meant to be? Starting a discussion about not offending people with biased religious views, taking neutral stance, but using words like 'bedtime story', fairytales, imaginary beings, ... seems to be a frustrated try that would be better to never happen. I must say that It is a funny rationale, to not say tragic.
Welcome to the "open" world of the champions of "tolerance" [ "tolerance" meaning "bigotry which is too high-minded to recognize itself" ].
If this were a software package about Asatru would anyone care? I really doubt it.
This is just another special-purpose software-package that isn't installed by default; I can't bring myself to care about the text in their package info so long as it isn't profane and doesn't directly incite violence I think Adam's got the right end of the stick here. Why don't we just leave this particular can of worms until someone actually feels offended?
I think that´s the big problem here. You might could do, but for the case it *happens*, the project is in the greased. If so, there would be a big flame on a mailing list of your desire, and other religion´s people would might be feel offended. This could happen today, or tomorrow but even not for the next 2000 years. So, there´s way B: Ask *before* packaging, and create an big hill of emails for this topic. Also here, some people (fundamentalists) might feel offended as well, so, anyway we do it, we will be the losers... -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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