Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-project] Religious and political views in packages
Is this thread what it meant to be? Starting a discussion about not offending people with biased religious views, taking neutral stance, but using words like 'bedtime story', fairytales, imaginary beings, ... seems to be a frustrated try that would be better to never happen. I must say that It is a funny rationale, to not say tragic. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Michael Meeks <michael.meeks@novell.com> wrote:
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On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:35 -0300, aledr wrote:
Welcome to the "open" world of the champions of "tolerance" [ "tolerance" meaning "bigotry which is too high-minded to recognize itself" ]. If this were a software package about Asatru would anyone care? I really doubt it. This is just another special-purpose software-package that isn't installed by default; I can't bring myself to care about the text in their package info so long as it isn't profane and doesn't directly incite violence [of course, what about the descriptions of many *games*?] And (a) insulting people with religious beliefs and then (b) being insulted on their behalf.... Really??? As they say "whatever!". As someone who interacts regularly with religiously devote people - 99.44% of them wouldn't even take notice of the text in this package description. Could you find someone somewhere that would be offended? Sure, and that is always true. Rather than [pretending to] take insult on someone else's behalf why not just operate in good-faith [pun intended] and publish the text; then if someone in the real-world actually takes offense the board can make a policy. Otherwise this is all just boxing shadows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
I think Adam's got the right end of the stick here. Why don't we just leave this particular can of worms until someone actually feels offended? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 09/09/2011 15:54, Per Jessen a écrit :
sorry, but this is the worst thing. Other distros seems to reject such package. I think we can accept them, give, the wording can't be offensive for any other. If the maintainer agree, why bother... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 09 Sep 2011 16:03:23 jdd wrote:
I find your interpretation of other distros rejection quite offencive. I submit that while we may tolerate your objectionable views, we should dismiss them as a minority view. Salutation, Graham -- "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." — Christopher Hitchens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 09.09.2011 15:54, schrieb Per Jessen:
I think that´s the big problem here. You might could do, but for the case it *happens*, the project is in the greased. If so, there would be a big flame on a mailing list of your desire, and other religion´s people would might be feel offended. This could happen today, or tomorrow but even not for the next 2000 years. So, there´s way B: Ask *before* packaging, and create an big hill of emails for this topic. Also here, some people (fundamentalists) might feel offended as well, so, anyway we do it, we will be the losers... -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 09:35 -0300, aledr wrote:
Welcome to the "open" world of the champions of "tolerance" [ "tolerance" meaning "bigotry which is too high-minded to recognize itself" ]. If this were a software package about Asatru would anyone care? I really doubt it. This is just another special-purpose software-package that isn't installed by default; I can't bring myself to care about the text in their package info so long as it isn't profane and doesn't directly incite violence [of course, what about the descriptions of many *games*?] And (a) insulting people with religious beliefs and then (b) being insulted on their behalf.... Really??? As they say "whatever!". As someone who interacts regularly with religiously devote people - 99.44% of them wouldn't even take notice of the text in this package description. Could you find someone somewhere that would be offended? Sure, and that is always true. Rather than [pretending to] take insult on someone else's behalf why not just operate in good-faith [pun intended] and publish the text; then if someone in the real-world actually takes offense the board can make a policy. Otherwise this is all just boxing shadows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
I think Adam's got the right end of the stick here. Why don't we just leave this particular can of worms until someone actually feels offended? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 09/09/2011 15:54, Per Jessen a écrit :
sorry, but this is the worst thing. Other distros seems to reject such package. I think we can accept them, give, the wording can't be offensive for any other. If the maintainer agree, why bother... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 09 Sep 2011 16:03:23 jdd wrote:
I find your interpretation of other distros rejection quite offencive. I submit that while we may tolerate your objectionable views, we should dismiss them as a minority view. Salutation, Graham -- "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." — Christopher Hitchens -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 09.09.2011 15:54, schrieb Per Jessen:
I think that´s the big problem here. You might could do, but for the case it *happens*, the project is in the greased. If so, there would be a big flame on a mailing list of your desire, and other religion´s people would might be feel offended. This could happen today, or tomorrow but even not for the next 2000 years. So, there´s way B: Ask *before* packaging, and create an big hill of emails for this topic. Also here, some people (fundamentalists) might feel offended as well, so, anyway we do it, we will be the losers... -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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