18 Aug
2008
18 Aug
'08
12:43 a.m.
Hello, list!
We already have opensuse for Asus eeePC but what about improving it:
1) We need to create "easy mode" (as it was realized in default Xandros)
2) We need to include packages for wi-fi and web-camera (and other
hardware) in default selection (to enable "out of the box" support of
all eeePC hardware)
3) Make ISO image for USB Sticks (because eeePC has no DVD-ROM)
Second statement is very important because user need to download few
packages to make his wi-fi working from Internet, but with the same
time he has no wireless internet access.
So what do you think on it?
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18 Aug
1:04 a.m.
On 09:43 Mon 18 Aug 2008, Alexander Muravya wrote:
1) We need to create "easy mode" (as it was
realized in default
Xandros)
What do you mean by this?
2) We need to include packages for wi-fi
OpenSuSE 11.1 will be based on Kernel v2.6.27 which supports the EeePC
wifi card via ath5k.
and web-camera (and other hardware) in default
selection (to enable
"out of the box" support of all eeePC hardware)
The uvcvideo driver was merged in 2.6.26 and should work in OpenSuSE
11.0/11.1 out of the box.
3) Make ISO image for USB Sticks (because eeePC has no
DVD-ROM)
This would be nice. The Debian USB images are handy.
Cheers,
Brandon
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3:05 a.m.
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:04:57PM -0700, Brandon Philips wrote:
On 09:43 Mon 18 Aug 2008, Alexander Muravya wrote:
The original Xandros for EeePC has a highly customised IceWM (if I
recall correctly) to provide a simple, tabbed interface with big
colourful icons for Mail, Web, Audioplayer, Skype etc. This is called
easy mode, and the EeePC looks like yet another PDA-ish device, you
don't really notice it's running linux.
To get KDE on the EeePC, which is what most people reading lists like
this one want, you have to install the so-called "Advanced Mode" manually.
The sources for the custom IceWM GUI, which I believe was just
configuration, not actual changes to IceWM itself, used to be available
for download from the Asus website. I'm only getting 404's now, though.
I don't think that a huge project overhead with planning and design is
necessary to provide a similar (but green ;-)) interface, packaged and
built in the build service, just someone who finds out how to configure
a light-weight window manager, documents it in the wiki, and provides a
few sample files which people can either use as they are, or build upon.
The scope of this would be probably small enough for one person, so, to
the original poster: what are you waiting for? ;-)
cheers,
Sonja
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1) We need to create "easy mode" (as it
was realized in default
Xandros)
What do you mean by this?
6:46 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Sonja Krause-Harder <skh(a)suse.de> wrote:
so, to
the original poster: what are you waiting for? ;-)
There only 2 officially supported OS for eeePC:
1)Windows XP
2) Xandros
I thought, that openSUSE can be the third.
But with the same time it was found out, that ASUS has a lot of closed
drivers. So I perhaps shall give up with this idea.
Thanx for paying your attention to this idea
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6:50 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 03:46:37PM +0400, Alexander Muravya wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Sonja Krause-Harder
<skh(a)suse.de> wrote:
atl2 (wired network driver) is in 11.0.
uvcvideo (webcam) is in 11.0.
only the wireless driver is not in 11.0 standard, but will be
in 11.1.
And only ASUS can call it "official", otherwise we have working
images already.
Ciao, Marcus
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so, to
the original poster: what are you waiting for? ;-)
There only 2 officially supported OS for eeePC:
1)Windows XP
2) Xandros
I thought, that openSUSE can be the third.
But with the same time it was found out, that ASUS has a lot of closed
drivers. So I perhaps shall give up with this idea.
6:57 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 03:46:37PM +0400, Alexander Muravya wrote:
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Sonja Krause-Harder
<skh(a)suse.de> wrote:
Asus chose Xandros, I don't see that they'll ever officially support
another Linux.
However, good community support for the whole class of small cheap
notebooks that the EeePC spawned is interesting. From what I've seen in
EeePC forums, the EeePC Xandros is the first linux for many of its
users. They tend to switch to a different distribution as soon as they
notice that they don't get the software they need from Asus' software
repositiores.
Most drift to Ubuntu, though, for known and various reasons.
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so, to
the original poster: what are you waiting for? ;-)
There only 2 officially supported OS for eeePC:
1)Windows XP
2) Xandros
I thought, that openSUSE can be the third. 
3:39 a.m.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:43:57 +0400
"Alexander Muravya" <alexmuravyasuse(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello, list!
We already have opensuse for Asus eeePC but what about improving it:
1) We need to create "easy mode" (as it was realized in default
Xandros) 2) We need to include packages for wi-fi and web-camera (and
other hardware) in default selection (to enable "out of the box"
support of all eeePC hardware)
3) Make ISO image for USB Sticks (because eeePC has no DVD-ROM)
Second statement is very important because user need to download few
packages to make his wi-fi working from Internet, but with the same
time he has no wireless internet access.
So what do you think on it?
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Alexander,
1) I'm not so sure having an "easy mode" replicated in openSUSE is worth
it. I would much rather see openSUSE produce an image using XFCE or
LXDE. These are desktop environments designed to be light on
resources, and as a result be speedy.
2) As has been mentioned some of the hardware is/will be supported
natively by the kernel. However not all the drivers are completely
open, and as such make things slightly harder for "out of the box"
support.
3) I agree that having a USB image would be very handy, and there is
nothing stopping you trying this with KIWI. I have it on my todo list,
but at present my list is rather large and I'm trying to get through
all items.
I have installed GNOME/KDE4.1/XFCE/KDE3.5.9 on my eeePC701 (all via
PXE boot), and to be honest I can't really decide on which DE is best
which doesn't help with creating an image. At the minute, I'm going to
discount KDE4 until 4.2 when the panel gains the hide feature. So I'm
now down to three which is no easier. I would probably go with GNOME,
but that is only because that is the DE that I am most familiar with.
I am going to give KDE3 a good go though as I think deep down that it
may well be better suited to the device.
An alternative is to thin the package selection down sufficiently that
it takes up the least amount of space. This in effect would be a matter
of deciding what applications are necessary (web browser/mail
client/IM/etc) and then try an do a custom install with that package
set and see if it works. This can be done in a VM and not necessarily
on an actual device.
Regards,
Andy
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19 Aug
12:59 a.m.
Am Montag 18 August 2008 schrieb Andrew Wafaa:
3) I agree that having a USB image would be very
handy, and there is
nothing stopping you trying this with KIWI. I have it on my todo list,
but at present my list is rather large and I'm trying to get through
all items.
Btw: I put up USB images for 11.0, that are still rather experimental
under ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
Greetings, Stephan
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2:21 a.m.
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Btw: I put up USB images for 11.0, that are still
rather experimental
under ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
This would be very interesting to try (I hope to have access soon to an
EEE) - but I see only an empty directory at this location? have they
been moved?
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5:38 a.m.
Am Dienstag 19 August 2008 schrieb Richard (MQ):
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Note that they are not EEEpcs - for one: they lack an installer, but
you can easily zypper in yast2-live-installer once you have network
setup.
Greetings, Stephan
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Btw: I put up USB images for 11.0, that are still
rather experimental
under ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
This would be very interesting to try (I hope to have access soon to an
EEE) - but I see only an empty directory at this location? have they
been moved?
8:20 a.m.
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Dienstag 19 August 2008 schrieb Richard (MQ):
Stephan,
But the link ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs points to an
empty directory - have the files been moved?
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Stephan Kulow wrote:
Note that they are not EEEpcs - for one: they lack an installer, but
you can easily zypper in yast2-live-installer once you have network
setup. Btw: I put up USB images for 11.0, that are still
rather experimental
under ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
This would be very
interesting to try (I hope to have access soon to an
EEE) - but I see only an empty directory at this location? have they
been moved?
8:26 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 02:20:05PM +0100, Richard (MQ) wrote:
But the link
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs points to an
empty directory - have the files been moved?
I see two images, a README, and checksum files in that directory. Far
from empty.
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8:41 a.m.
Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 02:20:05PM +0100, Richard (MQ)
wrote:
Whereas I get an empty folder when accessing through a browser and a
bomb-out when using command line:
But the link
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs points to an
empty directory - have the files been moved?
I see two images, a README, and checksum files in that directory. Far
from empty. rpm$> ftp -a
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
Requesting ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
(via xxxx:8080)
407 Proxy Authentication Required
Username for `Squid proxy-caching web server': xxxx
Password:
Requesting ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
(via xxxx:8080, with proxy authorization)
rpm$>
Do I need non-anonymous access? Or is it my workplace firewall
interfering? Or is it private to Novell people?
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7:13 p.m.
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 08:41:32 am Richard (MQ) wrote:
Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
I see the same as Sonja, and downloading KDE image right now.
Though they were empty before, so either browser cache (or some other cache)
thinks they are the same as before.
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On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 02:20:05PM +0100, Richard
(MQ) wrote:
Whereas I get an empty folder when accessing through a browser and a
bomb-out when using command line:
But the link
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs points to an
empty directory - have the files been moved?
I see two images, a README, and checksum files in that directory. Far
from empty. rpm$> ftp -a
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
Requesting ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
(via xxxx:8080)
407 Proxy Authentication Required
Username for `Squid proxy-caching web server': xxxx
Password:
Requesting ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
(via xxxx:8080, with proxy authorization)
rpm$>
Do I need non-anonymous access? Or is it my workplace firewall
interfering? Or is it private to Novell people?
20 Aug
20 Aug
3:48 a.m.
Rajko M. wrote:
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 08:41:32 am Richard (MQ)
wrote:
> Do I need non-anonymous access? Or is it my
workplace firewall
> interfering? Or is it private to Novell people?
I see the same as Sonja, and downloading KDE image
right now.
Though they were empty before, so either browser cache (or some other cache)
thinks they are the same as before.
I assume you're not inside the Novell network, so my third suggestion
seems wrong, and refreshing the cache doesn't help - so I can only
assume it's to do with my workplace firewall.
At least the mirror suggested by Carlos seems to work:
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/projects/FactoryLiveCDs/
I've managed to download the images and hope to try them later...
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On Wednesday 20 August 2008 03:48:02 am Richard (MQ) wrote:
I've managed to download the images and hope to
try them later...
I already tried them, but they are too big for 2 GB stick.
Boot ends, after bunch of file system errors in a single user mode.
The fdisk reports that file system is 254 (blocks?) while disk is 249?
Strange numbers.
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21 Aug
1:43 a.m.
Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 03:48:02 am Richard (MQ)
wrote:
I have exactly the same behaviour - I went to post this message and saw
yours!
It seems to be only a smidgen too big, so I thought maybe I could
loop-mount the unzipped image and delete something from it, but I can't
guess the filesystem used - Stephan, please can you advise? Or is there
something else wrong?
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I've managed to download the images and hope
to try them later...
I already tried them, but they are too big for 2 GB stick.
Boot ends, after bunch of file system errors in a single user mode.
The fdisk reports that file system is 254 (blocks?) while disk is 249?
Strange numbers. 
1:47 a.m.
Richard (MQ) a écrit :
It seems to be only a smidgen too big, so I thought
maybe I could
loop-mount the unzipped image and delete something from it, but I can't
guess the filesystem used - Stephan, please can you advise? Or is there
something else wrong?
same for me
I also missed instructions to copy to the key (but as I couldn't open
the image, I didn't try hard)
jdd
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19 Aug
8:39 a.m.
Hi,
Em Terça 19 Agosto 2008, o Richard (MQ) escreveu:
But the link
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs points to an
empty directory - have the files been moved?
The directory is not empty. Please try again using a mirror:
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/projects/FactoryLiveCDs/
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Carlos Goncalves wrote:
Hi,
Em Terça 19 Agosto 2008, o Richard (MQ) escreveu:
Carlos,
Thanks - your link works. Now to try them out...
Apologies for the noise.
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But the link
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs points to an
empty directory - have the files been moved?
The directory is not empty. Please try again using a mirror:
http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/projects/FactoryLiveCDs/
8:40 a.m.
Am Dienstag 19 August 2008 schrieb Richard (MQ):
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hmm, not for me.
Greetings, Stephan
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Am Dienstag 19 August 2008 schrieb Richard (MQ):
Stephan,
But the link ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs points to an
empty directory - have the files been moved? Stephan Kulow wrote:
Note that they are not EEEpcs - for one: they lack an installer, but
you can easily zypper in yast2-live-installer once you have network
setup. Btw: I put up USB images for 11.0, that are still
rather experimental
under ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/FactoryLiveCDs
This would be very interesting to try (I hope to have access soon to an
EEE) - but I see only an empty directory at this location? have they
been moved?
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