On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 14:31, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

at least to the technical point I have to agree. The membership team just sees a queue of requests and processes it. If insufficient information is provided people (have to) downvote the application and reject it. Apparently though after an application is denied (with a reason that the information was insufficient) and the information is updated it is sorted into the system with the old votes and comments.

So due to that it's quite hard for the membership team to find that there is a change at all. Your application is shown (with the downvotes) and in case a team member declined he actively would need to recognize the update, and at least remove his old vote.

So looking at your application there are still two downvotes from the time where the information was not given. So the process does not allow to accept your application. Still when looking deeper into it those downvotes should have been reset but this is not technically the case. Also only team members can remove their downvote actively.

So the main issue is that the tooling does not really allow to recognize this situation directly but only with all the context around it.

Since we were hoping we would have had the openSUSE Accounts implemented by this point, alongside the Matrix server launch, the Mailman 3 migration and Connect decommission, but none of this happened due to SUSE Community accounts, I'm afraid we might be stuck with Connect method for a while longer. The accounts system was supposed to be used as a way to add and store membership info, which would have allowed us to use it in other applications via existing integrations. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan composed on 2020-07-06 10:22 (UTC-0400):

So is someone going to step up and make a proper review and issue a new status to Mr. Jochen Breuer's request as that has not been indicated. He seems to be interested in this rather than the underlying reasons.

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Am 06.07.20 um 16:22 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

* Stasiek Michalski [07-06-20 08:52]:

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On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 14:31, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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at least to the technical point I have to agree. The membership team just sees a queue of requests and processes it. If insufficient information is provided people (have to) downvote the application and reject it. Apparently though after an application is denied (with a reason that the information was insufficient) and the information is updated it is sorted into the system with the old votes and comments.

So due to that it's quite hard for the membership team to find that there is a change at all. Your application is shown (with the downvotes) and in case a team member declined he actively would need to recognize the update, and at least remove his old vote.

So looking at your application there are still two downvotes from the time where the information was not given. So the process does not allow to accept your application. Still when looking deeper into it those downvotes should have been reset but this is not technically the case. Also only team members can remove their downvote actively.

So the main issue is that the tooling does not really allow to recognize this situation directly but only with all the context around it.

Since we were hoping we would have had the openSUSE Accounts implemented by this point, alongside the Matrix server launch, the Mailman 3 migration and Connect decommission, but none of this happened due to SUSE Community accounts, I'm afraid we might be stuck with Connect method for a while longer. The accounts system was supposed to be used as a way to add and store membership info, which would have allowed us to use it in other applications via existing integrations.

So is someone going to step up and make a proper review and issue a new status to Mr. Jochen Breuer's request as that has not been indicated. He seems to be interested in this rather than the underlying reasons.

he complained about the process mainly. Otherwise it wouldn't have been anything to discuss on the project mailinglist? At least that is how I understood it. His personal request it was accepted meanwhile. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Gesendet: Montag, 06. Juli 2020 um 17:45 Uhr Von: "Knurpht-openSUSE" An: opensuse-project@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] Membership status

Op maandag 6 juli 2020 14:19:11 CEST schreef Jochen Breuer:

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Hello everybody!

I'll make it short… although this seems to be a never ending story. Some time ago I tried to become an openSUSE member. Due to contradicting information that was rejected. I didn't provide the requested information in the right place. I fixed that and re-applied. That was a few months ago. Since then connect.o.o tells me this: "Membership request already sent. Please wait for the result."

I have the feeling that the whole membership application system is severely broken. But I really, really hope that it's only broken in my case. Because I don't think that other people would suffer through this!

Cheers

Jochen

https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/brejoc Like already per PM: address election-officials@opensuse.org and if that doesn't work board@opensuse.org

IMHO you deserve it ( even if it was for your patience :-D )

That does not count only for Jochen hopefully. There are waiting more Contributors for their Membership status who are part of the community since many years. Best regards, Sarah

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Gesendet: Montag, 06. Juli 2020 um 19:06 Uhr Von: "Vinzenz Vietzke" An: opensuse-project@opensuse.org Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] Membership status

Hi,

Am 6. Juli 2020 19:02:13 schrieb Sarah Julia Kriesch :

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IMHO you deserve it ( even if it was for your patience :-D )

That does not count only for Jochen hopefully. There are waiting more Contributors for their Membership status who are part of the community since many years.

Best regards, Sarah

Could you please tell who you're referring to? Maybe we can push that issue a bit.

Stefan Dirsch as an example. I know that about some Translators, too.

Thanks, vinz.

Best regards, Sarah

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Le 06/07/2020 à 21:17, Axel Braun a écrit :

Am Montag, 6. Juli 2020, 19:13:20 CEST schrieb Sarah Julia Kriesch:

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Could you please tell who you're referring to? Maybe we can push that issue a bit.

Stefan Dirsch as an example. I know that about some Translators, too.

Then it is probably the best to ask the individuals to contact membership- officials again.

Cheers Axel

and provide nickname, the only easy reference on Connect :-(( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

* Vinzenz Vietzke [07-06-20 15:28]:

Am Montag, 6. Juli 2020, 19:13:20 CEST schrieb Sarah Julia Kriesch:

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Stefan Dirsch as an example.

Sorry, wrong: His Membership got approved already. https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/sndirsch

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I know that about some Translators, too.

Wrong as well: There is only *one* German translator's application pending. His first *substantial* contributions date from end of May 2020.

So, despite the whole process for sure being messy and a pain I can't see what the we (as a community) are missing there.

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* Vinzenz Vietzke [07-06-20 16:51]:

Am Montag, 6. Juli 2020, 22:20:53 CEST schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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you both need to stop the bickering, or take it off-list. neither of you cite specifics but dwell in innuendo.

Sarah stated some valuable information which I corrected after checking with membership officials. I cited Stefan's connect profile where the membership status can be seen.

I don't get why you (once again) choose personal attacks on this list.

there was no ?attack? but only in your mind. But you have now made an attack against me! and w/o reason! just to continue bickering. I will not comment further. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org