Hi alexis,
Le 21 sept. 2012 à 09:49, "Alexis "Agemen"" a9emen@gmail.com a écrit :
On 21 September 2012 07:45, Florian Leparoux florian.leparoux@gmail.com wrote:
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 23:35, Jim Henderson hendersj@gmail.com a écrit :
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:20:25 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:
We need to think for all non-english openSUSE community and not just for the french community.
We do currently have a number of non-English language sections on the openSUSE forums, including a French one - I don't know if you've talked with the moderators of that group (though I know someone from Alionet is talking to swerdna as well).
Jim
In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML
Flo
--
Hi everybody,
I guess it's time to explain a bit why we did this proposal, and why we think it is a good idea...
The original objective is, as underlined by Florian, to make the french community more coherent. I say french here for simplicity, but that's a bit broader because this forum is used by french speaking people, not only french. The french community is quite parceled out. Participation to the broader, international project, does not suffer from any problem. There are people participating to packaging, IRC and other parts of the project from both forums. Fortunately. That would be a real shame otherwise.
Currently, Alionet is offering some services. There's not only a forum, but blogs, a CMS dedicated to news and an independant wiki. There has even been an IRC chan... To be honest, that does not work. We don't want to do that anymore, splitting our energy in redundant projects. Whatever will be decided in the end, the wiki will certainly disappear. It's already hard enough to maintain one, let's not maintain both. And as I've said, we already decided to remove public IRC chans linked to Alionet. There are still some private ones, but dedicated to technical discussions around the website.
In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.
That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.
On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...
Finally, some side notes. Florian presented Alionet as a "concurrent" of openSUSE. I don't think it is. Alionet is an association "loi 1901" in France. The main reason, originally, was that we wanted to have a clean way to collect money to pay our server. Until then, it has been proven that, at a local level, it is a good way to gather people and to strengthen the links between them.
The Alionet association has been legally created to "promote free software, the GNU/Linux operating systems, and particularly SUSE and openSUSE". I think it is self-explanatory. Moreover, since the creation of the association, we've tried to participate to FOSS events, on openSUSE stands. I went to the RMLL last year, in LUGs and in Solutions Linux this year. I may be in Paris again in October. Each time, we've made this with openSUSE mates. And I say mates. Even if I'm the "president of the association Alionet", I'm also a member of the openSUSE community, and that is always a real pleasure to meet other members of this commmunity. And I personnally don't care if they are "from Alionet or not". Alionet as been thought as a relay, as a support, from the beginning. We won't fork the distribution, we won't try to beat openSUSE. We want to work with and for openSUSE. Call us concurrent if you want. I, personnally, wouldn't.
I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.
Best wishes,
Alexis "Agemen".
[1] The former server were Alionet lived was not dedicated, and we then did not have the choice of the charset for the db. That's a shame... and fixing that takes some time. -- OrbisGIS supporter.
I just want to say : thanks for this explanation. I think for the global comprehension this message can help everyone.
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Le 21/09/2012 10:42, Florian Leparoux a écrit :
Hi alexis,
Le 21 sept. 2012 à 09:49, "Alexis "Agemen"" a9emen@gmail.com a écrit :
On 21 September 2012 07:45, Florian Leparoux florian.leparoux@gmail.com wrote:
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 23:35, Jim Henderson hendersj@gmail.com a écrit :
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:20:25 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:
We need to think for all non-english openSUSE community and not just for the french community.
We do currently have a number of non-English language sections on the openSUSE forums, including a French one - I don't know if you've talked with the moderators of that group (though I know someone from Alionet is talking to swerdna as well).
Jim
In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML
Flo
--
Hi everybody,
I guess it's time to explain a bit why we did this proposal, and why we think it is a good idea...
The original objective is, as underlined by Florian, to make the french community more coherent. I say french here for simplicity, but that's a bit broader because this forum is used by french speaking people, not only french. The french community is quite parceled out. Participation to the broader, international project, does not suffer from any problem. There are people participating to packaging, IRC and other parts of the project from both forums. Fortunately. That would be a real shame otherwise.
Currently, Alionet is offering some services. There's not only a forum, but blogs, a CMS dedicated to news and an independant wiki. There has even been an IRC chan... To be honest, that does not work. We don't want to do that anymore, splitting our energy in redundant projects. Whatever will be decided in the end, the wiki will certainly disappear. It's already hard enough to maintain one, let's not maintain both. And as I've said, we already decided to remove public IRC chans linked to Alionet. There are still some private ones, but dedicated to technical discussions around the website.
In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.
That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.
On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...
Finally, some side notes. Florian presented Alionet as a "concurrent" of openSUSE. I don't think it is. Alionet is an association "loi 1901" in France. The main reason, originally, was that we wanted to have a clean way to collect money to pay our server. Until then, it has been proven that, at a local level, it is a good way to gather people and to strengthen the links between them.
The Alionet association has been legally created to "promote free software, the GNU/Linux operating systems, and particularly SUSE and openSUSE". I think it is self-explanatory. Moreover, since the creation of the association, we've tried to participate to FOSS events, on openSUSE stands. I went to the RMLL last year, in LUGs and in Solutions Linux this year. I may be in Paris again in October. Each time, we've made this with openSUSE mates. And I say mates. Even if I'm the "president of the association Alionet", I'm also a member of the openSUSE community, and that is always a real pleasure to meet other members of this commmunity. And I personnally don't care if they are "from Alionet or not". Alionet as been thought as a relay, as a support, from the beginning. We won't fork the distribution, we won't try to beat openSUSE. We want to work with and for openSUSE. Call us concurrent if you want. I, personnally, wouldn't.
I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.
Best wishes,
Alexis "Agemen".
[1] The former server were Alionet lived was not dedicated, and we then did not have the choice of the charset for the db. That's a shame... and fixing that takes some time. -- OrbisGIS supporter.
I just want to say : thanks for this explanation. I think for the global comprehension this message can help everyone.
Florian
Thanks Florian for having forwarded this. I've always had problem with the GMail interface, never hitting the "Reply to all" button... :-(
Regards,
Alexis.
(pretending this was send to the list :D)
Le 21 sept. 2012 à 09:49, "Alexis "Agemen"" a9emen@gmail.com a écrit :
On 21 September 2012 07:45, Florian Leparoux florian.leparoux@gmail.com
wrote:
Le 20 sept. 2012 à 23:35, Jim Henderson hendersj@gmail.com a écrit :
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:20:25 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:
We need to think for all non-english openSUSE community and not just for the french community.
We do currently have a number of non-English language sections on the openSUSE forums, including a French one - I don't know if you've talked with the moderators of that group (though I know someone from Alionet is talking to swerdna as well).
Jim
In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML
Flo
--
Hi everybody,
I guess it's time to explain a bit why we did this proposal, and why we think it is a good idea...
Thanks for that, it clarifies things.
The original objective is, as underlined by Florian, to make the french community more coherent. I say french here for simplicity, but that's a bit broader because this forum is used by french speaking people, not only french. The french community is quite parceled out. Participation to the broader, international project, does not suffer from any problem. There are people participating to packaging, IRC and other parts of the project from both forums. Fortunately. That would be a real shame otherwise.
Agreed. Note that when we like to get things on openSUSE infrastructure, that is NOT against alionet or anything - we just happen to think that less fragmentation is better, just like you want. People who search for openSUSE are most likely to end up on openSUSE.org - and thus on the french stuff there, and miss alionet. So, having everything on openSUSE.org is better.
Currently, Alionet is offering some services. There's not only a forum, but blogs, a CMS dedicated to news and an independant wiki. There has even been an IRC chan... To be honest, that does not work. We don't want to do that anymore, splitting our energy in redundant projects. Whatever will be decided in the end, the wiki will certainly disappear. It's already hard enough to maintain one, let's not maintain both. And as I've said, we already decided to remove public IRC chans linked to Alionet. There are still some private ones, but dedicated to technical discussions around the website.
In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.
Nah, it is understandable. That's why planet.opensuse.org is multi-language. News.opensuse.org is not but we're actually currently looking for a solution for that - as you see, the announcement of openSUSE 12.2 was translated but we put links to the wiki page on news.o.o as a work-around...
That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.
On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...
Finally, some side notes. Florian presented Alionet as a "concurrent" of openSUSE. I don't think it is. Alionet is an association "loi 1901" in France. The main reason, originally, was that we wanted to have a clean way to collect money to pay our server. Until then, it has been proven that, at a local level, it is a good way to gather people and to strengthen the links between them.
The Alionet association has been legally created to "promote free software, the GNU/Linux operating systems, and particularly SUSE and openSUSE". I think it is self-explanatory. Moreover, since the creation of the association, we've tried to participate to FOSS events, on openSUSE stands. I went to the RMLL last year, in LUGs and in Solutions Linux this year. I may be in Paris again in October. Each time, we've made this with openSUSE mates. And I say mates. Even if I'm the "president of the association Alionet", I'm also a member of the openSUSE community, and that is always a real pleasure to meet other members of this commmunity. And I personnally don't care if they are "from Alionet or not". Alionet as been thought as a relay, as a support, from the beginning. We won't fork the distribution, we won't try to beat openSUSE. We want to work with and for openSUSE. Call us concurrent if you want. I, personnally, wouldn't.
I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.
Best wishes,
Alexis "Agemen".
[1] The former server were Alionet lived was not dedicated, and we then did not have the choice of the charset for the db. That's a shame... and fixing that takes some time.
First, I wouldn't call Alionet a competitor, rather a family member. on the Alionet association: that is absolutely awesome, and that should be kept. Heck, it should be mentioned on the openSUSE side. I do prefer to keep things centralized where it makes sense but of course having Alionet for planning booths and handling money is really cool!
From your post I take it we agree that fragmentation is bad. Two things:
- first of all, the French community has to make the final decision, not the global one. I think it's your work and your community. I think we all agree on that, I just want to say it out loud. - Second, IF you decide to stay on alionet.org - I'd rather remove the openSUSE french pages and forums and link them to alionet.org than keep the fragmentation.
But. I really think it's better if we manage to move everything to openSUSE servers. That would mean you guys benefit from our sysadmin work (and maybe our sysadmins can get help from you, too). And it is easier for people to find. And if you have ideas for improvements, we can do that together and it benefits everyone using our stuff! And if something goes wrong (fights or a forgotten renewal of a domain) it is easier to fix/safer in openSUSE. Together stronger and all that.
We don't want too loose anything (or as little as possible, so we could for example import the posts from alionet.org to forums.opensuse.org. If that is possible of course. And if there are other things you guys miss, we should be able to run that on our systems - too. Or fix our systems, with your help of course.
And we can do this step-wise. So you guys run a bunch of things - we can start moving those one by one, have a multi-year plan for all I care. Take the time to do it right. But have consolidation as a long term goal!
Just something you have to decide on. I think the others in the thread made clear: we'd like to have stuff on openSUSE.org, preferably running the same way and in the same software as the rest. But it is your call - you're doing awesome and we'd much prefer to keep you doing that than discourage you. So, think about it, talk to our sysadmins maybe, yell at us if our infrastructure can't do things you need (because that would be something we have to fix) etcetera, and pick what works best please!
Hugs, Jos
On 21 September 2012 14:37, Jos Poortvliet jos@opensuse.org wrote:
(pretending this was send to the list :D)
Hope it will make it this time :-)
Thanks for that, it clarifies things.
The original objective is, as underlined by Florian, to make the french community more coherent. I say french here for simplicity, but that's a bit broader because this forum is used by french speaking people, not only french. The french community is quite parceled out. Participation to the broader, international project, does not suffer from any problem. There are people participating to packaging, IRC and other parts of the project from both forums. Fortunately. That would be a real shame otherwise.
Agreed. Note that when we like to get things on openSUSE infrastructure, that is NOT against alionet or anything - we just happen to think that less fragmentation is better, just like you want. People who search for openSUSE are most likely to end up on openSUSE.org - and thus on the french stuff there, and miss alionet. So, having everything on openSUSE.org is better.
I never felt it that was against Alionet, don't worry. I wouldn't be here otherwise. I'd rather be writing some book about plot theory... :(p
Nah, it is understandable. That's why planet.opensuse.org is multi-language. News.opensuse.org is not but we're actually currently looking for a solution for that - as you see, the announcement of openSUSE 12.2 was translated but we put links to the wiki page on news.o.o as a work-around...
Nice to hear that. As french speakers, readers, writers, we need this kind of infrastructure. That is one of our most important source of newcomers, I think. Notified by some external news, they come on our website and eventually subscribe.
First, I wouldn't call Alionet a competitor, rather a family member. on the Alionet association: that is absolutely awesome, and that should be kept. Heck, it should be mentioned on the openSUSE side. I do prefer to keep things centralized where it makes sense but of course having Alionet for planning booths and handling money is really cool!
Thanks. Working with openSUSE mates has been proved to ba a source of awesomeness, too. And currently, one of our main goals is to increase the opportunities to work together. That's sometimes hard... but when we can, that's really good.
From your post I take it we agree that fragmentation is bad. Two things:
- first of all, the French community has to make the final decision, not the
global one. I think it's your work and your community. I think we all agree on that, I just want to say it out loud.
Thanks.
- Second, IF you decide to stay on alionet.org - I'd rather remove the
openSUSE french pages and forums and link them to alionet.org than keep the fragmentation.
As explained before, what we hope currently is a bit different. There are too many places to maintain, too much work to do. It would be really nice to let the wiki in fr.opensuse.org. It's the best maintained wiki in french. And it's easy too find, with an URL that is easy to remember. On the other hand, the forums would live on Alionet servers.
This point is not only linked to the forums frequentation. As explained, we've created an association in France. Clearly, the identity of our association, the identity of our community, is built around our websites. Without the forum, Alionet would loose its identity, at least currently. That means people would just go away disappointed. Some of them would certainly stay in the openSUSE community. Many of them would not, because they feel attached to the Alionet community. I don't want to loose these people. Without them, there won't be any association anymore... and we would loose some of our strength.
That is for the short term considerations. For the long term ones... well... On a local side, I think it is meaningful to have an structure that is easily recognized by people. I think Alionet can be this structure in France (even if a lot of work will have to be done to achieve such a status). That means the association must keep some identity, some values. If we want to merge the Alionet structure in openSUSE structure, we'll have to find the way to keep this identity, first. I hope that, as a member of the openSUSE family, Alionet can become, at least locally, a real strength.
But. I really think it's better if we manage to move everything to openSUSE servers. That would mean you guys benefit from our sysadmin work (and maybe our sysadmins can get help from you, too). And it is easier for people to find. And if you have ideas for improvements, we can do that together and it benefits everyone using our stuff! And if something goes wrong (fights or a forgotten renewal of a domain) it is easier to fix/safer in openSUSE. Together stronger and all that.
We don't want too loose anything (or as little as possible, so we could for example import the posts from alionet.org to forums.opensuse.org. If that is possible of course. And if there are other things you guys miss, we should be able to run that on our systems - too. Or fix our systems, with your help of course.
And we can do this step-wise. So you guys run a bunch of things - we can start moving those one by one, have a multi-year plan for all I care. Take the time to do it right. But have consolidation as a long term goal!
"Consolidation" sounds right.
Just something you have to decide on. I think the others in the thread made clear: we'd like to have stuff on openSUSE.org, preferably running the same way and in the same software as the rest. But it is your call - you're doing awesome and we'd much prefer to keep you doing that than discourage you. So, think about it, talk to our sysadmins maybe, yell at us if our infrastructure can't do things you need (because that would be something we have to fix) etcetera, and pick what works best please!
In the end, the french community will decide. We'll make some votes, on the two sides. The good news is that the discussion has not turned int oflame war. I really, really hope we'll succeed. Even if it's still not the best solution, well... It would be far better, and closer from the best.
Regards,
Agemen.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:42:04 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:
In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML
Just to clarify, what I meant was the moderators on the French forums on forums.opensuse.org - I don't know if there's overlap in our French forum staff and Alionet, but they should definitely all be included in the discussion if they're not already.
I should also mention (for those who may not be aware), I'm one of the non-technical admins on the openSUSE forums (though I've been involved in a lot of the technical side of things as well and know the infrastructure involved).
In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.
CMS is a part of the current releases of vBulletin, so blogs and articles aren't an issue. Should the merge take place to forums.opensuse.org, that's something that's easily acommodated.
That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.
It may be a larger community - but I think the discussion shouldn't necessarily be about which is "larger", but what makes sense for the project. I think if the openSUSE Forums' French category were made "the place to go", we'd have more traffic there.
On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...
Actually, the NNTP gateway issue is more serious than just a character set. The NNTP gateway itself hasn't been maintained by the original creator (not that it ever was, it's not an 'official' plugin) since vBulletin 3. I currently maintain it for the forums hosted by Novell/ NetIQ/SUSE/openSUSE, mostly providing bug fixes and minor enhancements. Getting it to work with vBulletin 4 took some work, but it is working. We also migrated from ISO- charsets to UTF8 already (that was really needed on a forum with multiple languages - selecting ISO charsets caused issues if you switched, for example, from Chinese to French).
I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.
Thanks, that does help a lot - and in the end, whatever the project and community opt for, those of us on the forums will do what we can to support the decision made. :) Ultimately, it's about the community.
Jim
On 21 September 2012 19:57, Jim Henderson hendersj@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:42:04 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote:
In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML
Just to clarify, what I meant was the moderators on the French forums on forums.opensuse.org - I don't know if there's overlap in our French forum staff and Alionet, but they should definitely all be included in the discussion if they're not already.
We discuss with the most people we can. I'm following 5 or 6 different thread in four different structures in order to be sure to read everything on this topic ^_^ Basically, I want this merge to happen, so I must be aware of all the opinions aroung the table.
I should also mention (for those who may not be aware), I'm one of the non-technical admins on the openSUSE forums (though I've been involved in a lot of the technical side of things as well and know the infrastructure involved).
In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by openSUSE, or not in a single place.
CMS is a part of the current releases of vBulletin, so blogs and articles aren't an issue. Should the merge take place to forums.opensuse.org, that's something that's easily acommodated.
Nice to hear. Note that the fact that we both use vBulletin is a kind of chance : whatever the final decision, it should be technically feasible thanks to that.
That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community is wider. I may be wrong.
It may be a larger community - but I think the discussion shouldn't necessarily be about which is "larger", but what makes sense for the project. I think if the openSUSE Forums' French category were made "the place to go", we'd have more traffic there.
Yes, certainly. But on the short term, I'm not sure it would work. I'm not sure people in Alionet would vote to migrate in the openSUSE infrastructures. I fear that would just kill the current project, and I don't wish that.
On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more difficult, however...
Actually, the NNTP gateway issue is more serious than just a character set. The NNTP gateway itself hasn't been maintained by the original creator (not that it ever was, it's not an 'official' plugin) since vBulletin 3. I currently maintain it for the forums hosted by Novell/ NetIQ/SUSE/openSUSE, mostly providing bug fixes and minor enhancements. Getting it to work with vBulletin 4 took some work, but it is working. We also migrated from ISO- charsets to UTF8 already (that was really needed on a forum with multiple languages - selecting ISO charsets caused issues if you switched, for example, from Chinese to French).
About nntp : waw, that seems to have been a hard work. Is it, by any chance, reusable ? About charset : That's interesting. Do you have any hints so that we can make it faster ? Have you written your procedure somewhere ?
I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs.
Thanks, that does help a lot - and in the end, whatever the project and community opt for, those of us on the forums will do what we can to support the decision made. :) Ultimately, it's about the community.
Thanks a lot for that. Your help is really appreciated.
Best wishes,
Alexis.
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