On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:59:01 -0600, Rajko wrote:

On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 01:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:

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I just noticed today that the gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.user group is missing from gmane.org - did the project request the list be removed from gmane?

Just wondering if it was intentional or if something went wrong somewhere.

This one works: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.devel

Well, yes, so does -project (I'm posting this through gmane).

So I vote for error on Gmane side.

My question, though, is whether they had a goof and it got removed, or if someone involved in the project asked for it to be removed. On the gmane side, it says it doesn't exist anymore, though the group is actually still there. It's not really a question of a "vote", I'm just wondering what happened, and if it wasn't intentional, I'll get ahold of someone at gmane to get it added back. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

Personally, I see no reason really to have any of the openSUSE lists anywhere else except on opensuse.org: not on gmane or google or whereever.

Someone, of course, will now write and state that this a way to spread the word about openSUSE. Well, you can do so by having google etc access to the wiki etc - but NOT the mail lists.

It's not about spreading the word as much as it is about easy access. Gmane also offers nntp access. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am 01.03.2013 07:01, schrieb Basil Chupin:

Personally, I see no reason really to have any of the openSUSE lists anywhere else except on opensuse.org: not on gmane or google or whereever.

gmane is simply the best available interface for mailing list archives out there. Try reading some old thread spreading over some months with anything else than gmane and you'll understand what I mean. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-11-18 12:24, Gour wrote:

especially considering that the list is managed by ezmlm which, iirc, does not allow to be just subscribed witout delivery (like in mailman).

* <listname>+subscribe-nomail@opensuse.org - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRrTkQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9X5yQCffCA04StlKy2exnYFFtCnDnxZ AnEAmgNQ2Ske+FWA//PZ7b9Chhq3dGAw =zo9K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Hey, On 18.11.2014 15:39, Gour wrote:

I do not recall it in ezmlm.

Maybe because it's not ezmlm but mlmmj :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-11-18 15:39, Gour wrote:

Still, it's not usual for gmane-subscribed list to require subscription.

Because then all posts from gmane users would appear to the rest of us with the same "from" email, so that we would think they all come from the same user. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRrZyIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XMNQCglWQjjpJtnkFgJqGQ+5MmEVBV nZsAnAoBpNl6v0Y5ZYsAFdPt1Qe0prBR =ccFR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-11-18 17:28, Gour wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:35:00 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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Because then all posts from gmane users would appear to the rest of us with the same "from" email, so that we would think they all come from the same user.

This list doen not require subscription and I can clearly discern different posters. What about you?

I see your mail address :-) You posted via plane.gmane.org, using Claws Mail news reader, yet I see your personal mail address. And that is the point. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRricsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VSogCfQVpLwX90NsUN64Owd+kGiqww CB8Anj2bd/cNk6DpIxcF/2PunNd461U1 =EdBo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:02:52 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> wrote:

I see your mail address :-)

You posted via plane.gmane.org, using Claws Mail news reader, yet I see your personal mail address. And that is the point.

I don't understand how it is connected with your statement: "Because then all posts from gmane users would appear to the rest of us with the same "from" email, so that we would think they all come from the same user." when you are able to see that my 'from' is not "all come from the same user" ? Sincerely, Gour --

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:01:35 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> wrote:

If the list requires subscription, then gmane in turn requires you subscribe with nomail. Either you do it, or they do it in your stead.

I'm not sure about that. I sent my post via Gmane, replied to its auth message and got message that my post is denied and I should subscribe to the list. With some other mailing lists software like Mailman, my post would probably go to /dev/null.

If the list does not require subscription, then gmane doesn't require you, either, to subscribe.

But one still has to reply to their auth message which, iirc, uses TMDA mechanism.

In both cases, gmane sends mails to the list with your own mail address, not one of them. You post an nntp post to gmane, and they in turn generate a normal email that is sent to the mail list, with your mail address (in your stead). Thus you can receive direct email posts from people here, off-list, copies of the same post that you see on nntp, and of course, spam. Basically the same as in an nntp group that forces you to subscribe with real mail addresses.

Yes, and that's convenient since if the mailing list allows posting via gmane, one does not need to do anything else besides one-time reply to their message and it's the reason why it's cumbersome to require people using Gmane to subsctibe to nomail list. Sincerely, Gour -- When your intelligence has passed out of the dense forest of delusion, you shall become indifferent to all that has been heard and all that is to be heard.

On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:26:10 -0500 Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:

If you dislike the gmane interface, subscribe to the list via one of your email addrs. If you want to use gmain, you follow their rules, but you would be obliged to do that on the opensuse-* lists also. And, after boiling it all down, you just prefer griping.

It seems you haven't read my original post: I like and extensively use Gmane and just wondered why 'general' list does require subscription to post while this one does not. No more or less. Sincerely, Gour -- Bewildered by the modes of material nature, the ignorant fully engage themselves in material activities and become attached. But the wise should not unsettle them, although these duties are inferior -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On November 18, 2014 6:24:27 AM EST, Gour <gour@atmarama.net> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 21:48:07 +0100 Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com> wrote:

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gmane is simply the best available interface for mailing list archives out there. Try reading some old thread spreading over some months with anything else than gmane and you'll understand what I mean.

Have you tried opensuse.markmail.org? That is my favorite place to read old posts. The history goes back to Jan 1, 2013. I generally find that far enough back.

I'm kind of returning to Suse (after started with it in 1999.), but wonder why one has to subscribe to 'general' in order to post?

This, in one sense, defeats the purpose of Gmane subscription, especially considering that the list is managed by ezmlm which, iirc, does not allow to be just subscribed witout delivery (like in mailman).

Any comment?

It's a sanity vs legacy thing. For all of the opensuse lists except the main help lists sanity rules and anyone can post. They use spam filters to keep out the spammers. For the main list (English and other languages such as opensuse-de) legacy rules and only subscribers can post. One guess which side of the argument I come down on. It has been a couple years since the technical lists converted to the allow all approach. Maybe it could be brought up again. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:19:46 -0600, Rajko wrote:

On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 05:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:

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It's not really a question of a "vote", I'm just wondering what happened, and if it wasn't intentional, I'll get ahold of someone at gmane to get it added back.

It could be cleanup, or renaming, as there is: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.suse.general which is posting content of opensuse@opensuse.org .

I've asked the guy who runs gmane. Hopefully that'll shed some light on it.

It would be easier to see what is missing if you would post related opensuse mail list, although, I think that you are asking about opensuse@opensuse.org (user to user help, ie. user list at Gmane).

Yes, it's the user list - identified as opensuse at opensuse dot org (entered it that way so gmane doesn't munge it). This list has been available for a very long time at the gmane group that I initially mentioned (gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.user), as that's where I've followed it for several years now. If it's now at gmane.linux.suse.general, that's a change. I'll check that out. Thanks, Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:59:01 -0600, Rajko wrote:

On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 01:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I just noticed today that the gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.user group is missing from gmane.org - did the project request the list be removed from gmane?

Just wondering if it was intentional or if something went wrong somewhere.

This one works: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.suse.opensuse.devel

Well, yes, so does -project (I'm posting this through gmane).

So I vote for error on Gmane side.

My question, though, is whether they had a goof and it got removed, or if someone involved in the project asked for it to be removed. On the gmane side, it says it doesn't exist anymore, though the group is actually still there. It's not really a question of a "vote", I'm just wondering what happened, and if it wasn't intentional, I'll get ahold of someone at gmane to get it added back. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

Personally, I see no reason really to have any of the openSUSE lists anywhere else except on opensuse.org: not on gmane or google or whereever.

Someone, of course, will now write and state that this a way to spread the word about openSUSE. Well, you can do so by having google etc access to the wiki etc - but NOT the mail lists.

It's not about spreading the word as much as it is about easy access. Gmane also offers nntp access. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org

Am 01.03.2013 07:01, schrieb Basil Chupin:

Personally, I see no reason really to have any of the openSUSE lists anywhere else except on opensuse.org: not on gmane or google or whereever.

gmane is simply the best available interface for mailing list archives out there. Try reading some old thread spreading over some months with anything else than gmane and you'll understand what I mean. -- Stefan Seyfried "If your lighter runs out of fluid or flint and stops making fire, and you can't be bothered to figure out about lighter fluid or flint, that is not Zippo's fault." -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org