[Fwd: Re: [opensuse-project] Re: Strategy discussion @ forums]
Cristian Morales Vega wrote:
I'm not going to ask anybody to use the forums from time to time just to get users that "actually believed they mattered and the hackers cared about them". Most of the posts I read complaining about devs being disconnected from user needs are IMHO users that seem to live in a reality distortion field.
ok, i tired and gave up...un-subed from the ML.. decided i should try again, and i've failed again--you folks are a real piece of work, never seen so many inflated egos in one place before...strange.. so, i'll not again question the way things work here, who is most important or how we might arrive a higher level together....instead, i'll just go back now and live in my really distorted field with things like the following to keep me warm at night: "openSUSE is ... a project which lives from contributions not 'feeding customers'. That's why I previously said we need more contributors, no users, no customers, no leechers and no 'audience'." "Right now I think the openSUSE project should concentrate on growing the contributors so that those then grow users.." "You are either friendly or unfriendly with users." "if you're not part of the group that feels excluded / disadvantaged then you don't see the things that are doing it." "why should anyone care about your feelings since you don't contribute in any way anyways?" dd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
2010/6/25 DenverD <DenverD@texan.dk>:
so, i'll not again question the way things work here, who is most important or how we might arrive a higher level together....instead, i'll just go back now and live in my really distorted field with things like the following to keep me warm at night:
To be clear, I'm thinking of thinks like this: http://forums.opensuse.org/community/surveys-polls/436881-what-do-you-not-li... - "The developer "Ivory tower" - We hear the saying "the devs never visit the forums" quite often. This is sad and in my opinion is a missed opportunity. Surely this forum consisting of people who actually use openSUSE in the "real world" has a lot of feedback to offer. I feel as though I have to go crawling on my knees and jump through hoops to report a problem." Devs should use the forums because it seems there is no cost for devs in that. But a forum user can't write a bug report in bugzilla (that is not so different than starting a new thread in the forum) because that means no less than "go crawling on my knees and jump through hoops"!! And - "Out of touch with reality - openSUSE refuses to accept the real world, by that I mean understanding what end users actually want from their distro of choice. This whole "head in the sand" thing is really rather silly. I'm talking about codecs, drivers, and crippled versions of software. People want these things, they need them, and I can bet that well over 90% of you actually have them installed on your systems. Why make life awkward by hiding them away and pretending they don't exist and making it hard to get them? I know all about the legal mumbo-jumbo, but openSUSE is supposed to be "the open, community driven version of Suse Linux Enterprise" isn't it? Then listen to the community and model openSUSE on what the community wants instead of what the corporation wants." Translation: "Developers are not implementing things **I know** they can't implement because of legalities. That means they ignore the community." Are you saying me this makes any sense outside a reality distortion field? What will be the next? "I asked a lot of times for a time travel plasmoid and the devs have still not implemented it for 11.3. They continue ignoring the feedback the forums has to offer."? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 25/06/2010 16:49, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
Devs should use the forums because it seems there is no cost for devs in that.
do you think time is not valuable? devs use they time to develop, thanks to them, I couldn't do that. use yours in discussing with forum users and filling bug reports if you want... (I do !) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 05:00:27PM +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 25/06/2010 16:49, Cristian Morales Vega a écrit :
Devs should use the forums because it seems there is no cost for devs in that.
do you think time is not valuable? devs use they time to develop, thanks to them, I couldn't do that. use yours in discussing with forum users and filling bug reports if you want... (I do !)
I am reading the forum at bugzilla.novell.com. Feel free to post bugs there.. :) Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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