[opensuse-project] Getting OpenSUSE community together
Dear OpenSUSE, As a part of an ongoing effort to make our distro better visually and user experience-wise we have come to a realization that things would be much easier if we had some sort of a unified community tool (or a set of those) to help us widen our outreach. We are aware that there is already SUSE Connect, as well as an abundance of various mailing lists and IRC channels. However, few of our users actually know about those, or actively use them. So the idea so far is to make a desktop application which would ultimately bind all those services together into a sort of a single SUSE account (just like the service available in by Ubuntu, and OSX). So far this is just an idea and we need your input to see just how far can we take this and just what exactly we should be looking into in terms of functionality. So the brief description so far is this: "A desktop application connecting the whole of openSUSE fandom into a single network in order to widen the community, lower the communication and contribution barriers and add a unique twist to openSUSE ecosystem where every new user has an opportunity to share and communicate with other openSUSE users." Basically this should be as simple as integrating all our existing social services (Open Fate, SUSE Connect, mailing lists and IRC canals into a single easy to use "Control Centre". How does the idea sound like to you? What would be advantages of this effort? What would be the drawbacks of it? Would you create yet another account for our openSUSE social services? Your always thoughtful ARTWORK TEAM-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:33:10 -0400, Eugene Trounev wrote:
How does the idea sound like to you?
I think rather than another social app, we should provide a landing page (and maybe we already do) within the distro as part of a standard installation. Something that's the default page in the installed default browser.
Would you create yet another account for our openSUSE social services?
That seems unnecessary. Most of the services are unified already with a single login, and that single login should continue to be used, either directly or indirectly (ie, the way connect/wiki/forums/OBS do or the way Studio does). People shouldn't have to remember multiple sets of credentials to interact with the project, and implementing something that adds a requirement for a second authentication credential set should be avoided. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:33:10 -0400, Eugene Trounev wrote:
How does the idea sound like to you?
I think rather than another social app, we should provide a landing page (and maybe we already do) within the distro as part of a standard installation. Something that's the default page in the installed default browser.
I like this idea. I had not thought about it.
Would you create yet another account for our openSUSE social services?
For some it will be the first time that they become part of a linux social network. I would encourage more of our users to be in touch with the community. Additionally, we have tools that can easily connect us already. All we need is to promote it through the release a little more.
That seems unnecessary. Most of the services are unified already with a single login, and that single login should continue to be used, either directly or indirectly (ie, the way connect/wiki/forums/OBS do or the way Studio does).
People shouldn't have to remember multiple sets of credentials to interact with the project, and implementing something that adds a requirement for a second authentication credential set should be avoided.
Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits
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Since you guys are involved with a lot of the branding stuff, can we make sure to remember it is "openSUSE" and not "OpenSUSE" or any other variation? Thanks. :-) Bryen On Mon, 2012-08-06 at 17:44 -0600, andi robert wrote:
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Jim Henderson <hendersj@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:33:10 -0400, Eugene Trounev wrote:
How does the idea sound like to you?
I think rather than another social app, we should provide a landing page (and maybe we already do) within the distro as part of a standard installation. Something that's the default page in the installed default browser.
I like this idea. I had not thought about it.
Would you create yet another account for our openSUSE social services?
For some it will be the first time that they become part of a linux social network. I would encourage more of our users to be in touch with the community. Additionally, we have tools that can easily connect us already. All we need is to promote it through the release a little more.
That seems unnecessary. Most of the services are unified already with a single login, and that single login should continue to be used, either directly or indirectly (ie, the way connect/wiki/forums/OBS do or the way Studio does).
People shouldn't have to remember multiple sets of credentials to interact with the project, and implementing something that adds a requirement for a second authentication credential set should be avoided.
Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits
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(subject was corrected, to reflect correct version (at the moment)) On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:26:44 -0500 Bryen M Yunashko <suserocks@bryen.com> wrote:
it is "openSUSE" and not "OpenSUSE" or any other variation
We are lucky to have search services that ignore capitalization, otherwise we would be the last thing anyone would be able to find. openSUSE is the name that ignores any writing rules we learned. See, sentence begins with a small letter. Think of Facebook, not FaceBook, faceBOOK, etc. I know that it took time to correct name usage to openSUSE, but I have feeling that like with water, when you remove barriers it takes no time to have it back to its natural position and then it takes no effort to keep it there. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Rajko wrote:
(subject was corrected, to reflect correct version (at the moment))
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:26:44 -0500 Bryen M Yunashko <suserocks@bryen.com> wrote:
it is "openSUSE" and not "OpenSUSE" or any other variation
We are lucky to have search services that ignore capitalization, otherwise we would be the last thing anyone would be able to find.
openSUSE is the name that ignores any writing rules we learned. See, sentence begins with a small letter.
Think of Facebook, not FaceBook, faceBOOK, etc.
plus iPhone, iPlayer, iThis and iThat :-) It's a name, capitalization rules don't apply. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-07 11:41, Per Jessen wrote:
It's a name, capitalization rules don't apply.
Tell that to LibreOffice. :-/ - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 "Asparagus" GM (bombadillo)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAg+vgACgkQU92UU+smfQVuwACdFdcQEdgJNhp2rLCqKiUSdsYz ErYAn0/JS8xnljWsn/tYGcY94s/tzHX+ =CRAi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-08-07 11:41, Per Jessen wrote:
It's a name, capitalization rules don't apply.
Tell that to LibreOffice. :-/
Perhaps file bug with LibreOffice instead of our own, asking to include this in their dictionary? Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-07 15:06, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 13:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-08-07 11:41, Per Jessen wrote:
It's a name, capitalization rules don't apply.
Tell that to LibreOffice. :-/
Perhaps file bug with LibreOffice instead of our own, asking to include this in their dictionary?
The dictionary is not enough, you need exceptions on the capitalization rules. As to bug upstream, I leave that to the assignees of the oS bugzilla. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 "Asparagus" GM (bombadillo)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAhGxoACgkQU92UU+smfQVV3gCffuWF5+8kkJm3FQtledlUfDMk sWkAn31boPqHD1PPpzgLRx28iphWJe1l =2thX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 15:41 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The dictionary is not enough, you need exceptions on the capitalization rules. As to bug upstream, I leave that to the assignees of the oS bugzilla.
But if you feel they're not responsive, why not take the proactive step and just go directly to LO and file the bug there? Obviously, you want action taken here, so if no one is doing it, kick some butt by going upstream. :-) Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-07 16:19, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 15:41 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The dictionary is not enough, you need exceptions on the capitalization rules. As to bug upstream, I leave that to the assignees of the oS bugzilla.
But if you feel they're not responsive, why not take the proactive step and just go directly to LO and file the bug there? Obviously, you want action taken here, so if no one is doing it, kick some butt by going upstream. :-)
It is not me who wants "openSUSE". I want OpenSUSE. >:-P I can not defend upstream something I do not believe on. I accept the rule, that's all. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 "Asparagus" GM (bombadillo)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAhJ0cACgkQU92UU+smfQXwmgCfdYzuCJih51taCB5LOHoHKqB/ ZwkAoJARJOWx2uj/9fhSVaopFTu9bz4a =R6iM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
<entire thread deleted for brevity> points made and taken, it would be appropriate to move this conversation if you insist on continuing it (it's all been said before) to a thread entitled something like 'issues with openSUSE non-capitalization and office spellcheckers' or something, and return this thread to its intended aim of discussing the various ways of attaining a unified social network interface / single login / landing page to facilitate ease of communication. It will make bikeshedding so very much easier. :) -- IRC: helen_au helen.south@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:05 AM, Helen South <helen.south@opensuse.org> wrote:
<entire thread deleted for brevity>
points made and taken, it would be appropriate to move this conversation if you insist on continuing it (it's all been said before) to a thread entitled something like 'issues with openSUSE non-capitalization and office spellcheckers' or something, and return this thread to its intended aim of discussing the various ways of attaining a unified social network interface / single login / landing page to facilitate ease of communication.
It will make bikeshedding so very much easier.
:)
Agreed!
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-07 06:02, Rajko wrote:
(subject was corrected, to reflect correct version (at the moment))
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:26:44 -0500 Bryen M Yunashko <> wrote:
it is "openSUSE" and not "OpenSUSE" or any other variation
We are lucky to have search services that ignore capitalization, otherwise we would be the last thing anyone would be able to find.
openSUSE is the name that ignores any writing rules we learned. See, sentence begins with a small letter.
I have a bugailla opened for ages on that, because the spellcheckers/grammar checkers of LO (f.e.) fail on it. No progress. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 "Asparagus" GM (bombadillo)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAg+tMACgkQU92UU+smfQUbLgCggXa9Lutax0kwvBAd0HRRRmHs hkYAnj+kdE/uyt14J4IjHA0RHUoAsqz5 =aOH/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, August 06, 2012 20:43:17 Jim Henderson wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:33:10 -0400, Eugene Trounev wrote:
How does the idea sound like to you?
I think rather than another social app, we should provide a landing page (and maybe we already do) within the distro as part of a standard installation. Something that's the default page in the installed default browser.
Klaas Freitag and Robert Lihm worked on this last year: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-10/msg00127.html But this was not finished - anybody interested to finish it? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/08/12 22:43, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:33:10 -0400, Eugene Trounev wrote:
How does the idea sound like to you?
I think rather than another social app, we should provide a landing page (and maybe we already do) within the distro as part of a standard installation. Something that's the default page in the installed default browser.
+1 for remaking openSUSE landing page. This has much more impact than any application. It lacks the global menu we have on other sites and could be improved and hasn't been touched for ages. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol Rusnak PGP 0xB9A02A3D prusnak[at]opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-07 16:28, Pavol Rusnak wrote:
On 06/08/12 22:43, Jim Henderson wrote:
+1 for remaking openSUSE landing page. This has much more impact than any application. It lacks the global menu we have on other sites and could be improved and hasn't been touched for ages.
By the way, the last update of Firefox reset the landing page to be google's. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 "Asparagus" GM (bombadillo)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAhJ4wACgkQU92UU+smfQWYSACeOrySfSaZx/VzHxwqqG6plo5L QPgAnRTEbvlq6VXUSlQVLOY2Qt2LWXRG =0n0I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:33:10 -0400 Eugene Trounev <eugene.trounev@gmail.com> wrote:
How does the idea sound like to you?
Like good replacement for old splash screen that people close before they have time to realize that it has some useful info.
What would be advantages of this effort?
It will make user access to various parts of openSUSE very easy. For instance creating account will not lead to Novell customer account page, but much easier openSUSE one.
What would be the drawbacks of it?
Someone has to sit down, write workflow, let other test that and then finally write application. In short, a lot of work, planning and testing. (or we can just scratch itch and slap fast yet another service)
Would you create yet another account for our openSUSE social services?
As Jim said, no need. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hi all, I know I am new but did want to mention something. In addition to the excellent idea of showcasing the artwork teams efforts directly on and in the desktop I would like to suggest using the media where designers already are to draw new talent. Also, I think it would be good if experienced designers helped mentor those still learning so as to improve their skill set and make them more productive. Does this sound wrong? Has this kind of effort been tried before? Kenneth Wimer -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Eugene Trounev wrote:
Dear OpenSUSE,
As a part of an ongoing effort to make our distro better visually and user experience-wise we have come to a realization that things would be much easier if we had some sort of a unified community tool (or a set of those) to help us widen our outreach. We are aware that there is already SUSE Connect, as well as an abundance of various mailing lists and IRC channels. However, few of our users actually know about those, or actively use them. So the idea so far is to make a desktop application which would ultimately bind all those services together into a sort of a single SUSE account (just like the service available in by Ubuntu, and OSX). So far this is just an idea and we need your input to see just how far can we take this and just what exactly we should be looking into in terms of functionality. So the brief description so far is this: "A desktop application connecting the whole of openSUSE fandom into a single network in order to widen the community, lower the communication and contribution barriers and add a unique twist to openSUSE ecosystem where every new user has an opportunity to share and communicate with other openSUSE users."
Basically this should be as simple as integrating all our existing social services (Open Fate, SUSE Connect, mailing lists and IRC canals into a single easy to use "Control Centre".
How does the idea sound like to you? What would be advantages of this effort? What would be the drawbacks of it? Would you create yet another account for our openSUSE social services?
Your always thoughtful ARTWORK TEAM-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
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The whole artwork team effort is very new, so - no we are just making some baby steps in the direction of broader, more efficient community. Best Regards, Eugene Trounev [it-s] On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Kenneth Wimer <wimer@suse.de> wrote:
Hi all,
I know I am new but did want to mention something.
In addition to the excellent idea of showcasing the artwork teams efforts directly on and in the desktop I would like to suggest using the media where designers already are to draw new talent. Also, I think it would be good if experienced designers helped mentor those still learning so as to improve their skill set and make them more productive.
Does this sound wrong? Has this kind of effort been tried before?
Kenneth Wimer -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
On Aug 6, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Eugene Trounev wrote:
Dear OpenSUSE,
As a part of an ongoing effort to make our distro better visually and user experience-wise we have come to a realization that things would be much easier if we had some sort of a unified community tool (or a set of those) to help us widen our outreach. We are aware that there is already SUSE Connect, as well as an abundance of various mailing lists and IRC channels. However, few of our users actually know about those, or actively use them. So the idea so far is to make a desktop application which would ultimately bind all those services together into a sort of a single SUSE account (just like the service available in by Ubuntu, and OSX). So far this is just an idea and we need your input to see just how far can we take this and just what exactly we should be looking into in terms of functionality. So the brief description so far is this: "A desktop application connecting the whole of openSUSE fandom into a single network in order to widen the community, lower the communication and contribution barriers and add a unique twist to openSUSE ecosystem where every new user has an opportunity to share and communicate with other openSUSE users."
Basically this should be as simple as integrating all our existing social services (Open Fate, SUSE Connect, mailing lists and IRC canals into a single easy to use "Control Centre".
How does the idea sound like to you? What would be advantages of this effort? What would be the drawbacks of it? Would you create yet another account for our openSUSE social services?
Your always thoughtful ARTWORK TEAM-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org
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Jim Henderson -
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Rajko