On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 00:34 +0100, Karsten König wrote:

heya, the debian project uses planet.debian.org, planet.opensuse.org doesn't look to shabby and would be under project control this is not a request to rename it to planetopensuse, just add a link people might find intuitive =)

karsten

A grand idea, but not likely to happen in the very near future. The Planet is one of the few services offered that is completely managed by the community and not under the management of Novell and its servers. If we were to set up planet.opensuse.org (and I agree it would be nice), we would have to relinquish at least *some* control of the planet's server management to Novell. Perhaps someday when we have our Foundation established and we have enough proper funding to create an infrastructure to manage such servers, we can address it then. But until then, planet.opensu.se is the way to go. Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team Lead GNOME-A11y Team Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 19 March 2010 01:04:58 Karsten König wrote:

Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 00:41:00 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:

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On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 00:34 +0100, Karsten König wrote:

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heya, the debian project uses planet.debian.org, planet.opensuse.org doesn't look to shabby and would be under project control this is not a request to rename it to planetopensuse, just add a link people might find intuitive =)

A grand idea, but not likely to happen in the very near future. The Planet is one of the few services offered that is completely managed by the community and not under the management of Novell and its servers. If we were to set up planet.opensuse.org (and I agree it would be nice), we would have to relinquish at least *some* control of the planet's server management to Novell.

Couldn't we just add it as an entry to the opensuse.org DNS server? I am not suggesting hosting it on the opensuse infrastructure, just a pointer to the community planet =) Or is there the usual fear about "inproper" behaviour on the planet like posts about the Packman repository? I know this is a legal minefield, but a simple redirect? Maybe add a disclaimer page that this is a community run page, normally has the adress planet.su.se and is not related in any way to Novell? Currently we have a link in the wiki on the community page to the planet so it wouldn't be that different.

I've already kicked off a request for planet.opensuse.org, let's see what goes. To clarify: it's merely a DNS entry that points to the server planet.opensu.se currently runs on. It isn't about moving the service to a Novell IS&T managed server. cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org

On Friday 19 March 2010 08:47:33 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Friday 19 March 2010 01:23:30 Pascal Bleser wrote:

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[...] I've already kicked off a request for planet.opensuse.org, let's see what goes.

And I asked your DNS admin to make this change. Thanks for the suggestion,

Everything is done, planet.opensuse.org is working thanks to Christian for changing the DNS and to Darix for doing his magic on the server ;) I also see that planetsuse.org has been extended, so I hope that one will work soon again - thanks Roger and Justin! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On 2010年03月19日 19:53, Andreas Jaeger Wrote:

On Friday 19 March 2010 08:47:33 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Friday 19 March 2010 01:23:30 Pascal Bleser wrote:

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[...] I've already kicked off a request for planet.opensuse.org, let's see what goes.

And I asked your DNS admin to make this change. Thanks for the suggestion,

Everything is done, planet.opensuse.org is working thanks to Christian for changing the DNS and to Darix for doing his magic on the server ;)

I also see that planetsuse.org has been extended, so I hope that one will work soon again - thanks Roger and Justin!

So which one will be decided as official suse planet ? I sent a request to planetesuse.org to add my blog, no response. Is it possible to add my blog to planet.opensuse.org ? Thanks. -- Coly Li SuSE Labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 2010-03-20 03:44:03 +0800, Coly Li wrote:

So which one will be decided as official suse planet ? I sent a request to planetesuse.org to add my blog, no response. Is it possible to add my blog to planet.opensuse.org ?

your blog is? -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 2010年03月20日 04:20, Pascal Bleser Wrote:

On Friday 19 March 2010 20:44:03 Coly Li wrote:

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On 2010年03月19日 19:53, Andreas Jaeger Wrote:

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On Friday 19 March 2010 08:47:33 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Friday 19 March 2010 01:23:30 Pascal Bleser wrote:

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[...] I've already kicked off a request for planet.opensuse.org, let's see

what goes.

And I asked your DNS admin to make this change. Thanks for the

suggestion,

Everything is done, planet.opensuse.org is working thanks to Christian for changing the DNS and to Darix for doing his magic on the server ;)

I also see that planetsuse.org has been extended, so I hope that one will work soon again - thanks Roger and Justin!

So which one will be decided as official suse planet ? I sent a request to planetesuse.org to add my blog, no response. Is it possible to add my blog to planet.opensuse.org ?

For requests regarding planetsuse, please send your request to me, and I'll happily add your feed.

The information required for that is: - the URL of the RSS feed

the URL is http://blog.coly.li I am not sure the RSS feed (I never use RSS on purpose), maybe http://blog.coly.li/?feed=rss2 ?

- your full name

I prefer "Coly Li"

- your IRC nickname, if you have one

My irc nick is "coly"

- a hackergotchi, if you have one (we can host a copy of it on the planetsuse server, so either as a link or as an attachment)

I don't have a hackergotchi, how about this one ? http://www.beijinglug.org/en/images/comprofiler/308_479b3f436c7c5.jpg I use it for my big-head-picture of Beijing Linux User Group.

If you provide me with the information above, I'll do that ASAP :)

Thanks for your help. And thanks to you all who take care of my planetsuse entry :-) -- Coly Li SuSE Labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 01:23:30 schrieb Pascal Bleser:

On Friday 19 March 2010 01:04:58 Karsten König wrote:

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Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 00:41:00 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko:

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On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 00:34 +0100, Karsten König wrote:

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heya, the debian project uses planet.debian.org, planet.opensuse.org doesn't look to shabby and would be under project control this is not a request to rename it to planetopensuse, just add a link people might find intuitive =)

A grand idea, but not likely to happen in the very near future. The Planet is one of the few services offered that is completely managed by the community and not under the management of Novell and its servers. If we were to set up planet.opensuse.org (and I agree it would be nice), we would have to relinquish at least *some* control of the planet's server management to Novell.

Couldn't we just add it as an entry to the opensuse.org DNS server? I am not suggesting hosting it on the opensuse infrastructure, just a pointer to the community planet =) Or is there the usual fear about "inproper" behaviour on the planet like posts about the Packman repository? I know this is a legal minefield, but a simple redirect? Maybe add a disclaimer page that this is a community run page, normally has the adress planet.su.se and is not related in any way to Novell? Currently we have a link in the wiki on the community page to the planet so it wouldn't be that different.

I've already kicked off a request for planet.opensuse.org, let's see what goes. To clarify: it's merely a DNS entry that points to the server planet.opensu.se currently runs on. It isn't about moving the service to a Novell IS&T managed server.

cheers

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Thanks alot for the insight Henne, I don't think Bryen wanted to rant about Novells hosting here, I think this was more about if Novell would be willing to host such "renegade" material ;-) and thus request a light grip on the content that goes through the planet. Btw is there something like that for lizards, like "don't mention xyz external opensuse community project"? Karsten Am Freitag, 19. März 2010 15:43:38 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:

Hi,

On 03/19/2010 12:41 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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If we were to set up planet.opensuse.org (and I agree it would be nice), we would have to relinquish at least *some* control of the planet's server management to Novell.

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But until then, planet.opensu.se is the way to go.

I'm sorry but there seems to be much confusion about how the openSUSE project handles its infrastructure. Let me explain:

We have a bunch of projects, a lot of infrastructure, different types of hosting and different ways of administering something.

The landing page, the wikis and the wordpress instances are hosted in the Provo datacenter. The DNS and the mail exchange are hosted in the Nürnberg datacenter. The reason for this is that they are very high traffic and the face for the project so we want them to be very reliable. Which means you put them in a datacenter where you get 24/7 support, a lot of bandwidth and good maintenance of the services and the underlying OS. Of course the party that delivers this to you (Novell IT in this case) will only do so if they call the shots. So we have to go through hoops (open a bug, create a ticket or send a mail) if we want to have something changed, but these hoops are just the price you pay for the very good service they deliver. And they are very minimal. Development of the services happens in a SCM and once something is done we push Novell IT to deploy it. Everybody, no matter if you're from Novell or not, can participate in the development of these services and everybody can trigger the deployment. So everybody can administer these hosts.

The Build Service and all of the services connected to it (download, software, hermes etc), openFATE, the mailinglists, users, tube, help, connect, retro and so on are hosted in openSUSE's cage here in Nürnberg. Here you have someone from the specific openSUSE sub-project that cares for maintaining these services and hosts. So for instance Adrian does OBS administration, I administer the mailinglists, Pavol cares for connect and so on. But basically it's the same principle. Development of these services happens in a SCM and instead of pinging someone from Novell IT to deploy it we do it ourself. Everybody, no matter if you're from Novell or not, can develop these services and everybody can trigger the deployment. So everybody can administer these hosts.

Some of our services are hosted by individuals. Like the planet, live, opensuse-community, packman, webpin, search or the software portal. Most of these services are also developed in some SCM and here you have to trigger the individuals to deploy something. Everybody, no matter if you're from Novell or not, can develop these services and everybody can trigger the deployment. So everybody can administer these hosts.

There seems to be a widely spread misunderstanding that you have to be a Novell employee and need to have the right to deploy software or more in general you have to be root to be able to administer something. This is, as you can see above, not true.

Despite of that we are currently working to make exactly this possible. For the reason to have another task in the openSUSE project where people can do something for the project and take responsibility. This means we try to make it possible for everybody to take up the task of software deployment or machine administration and things like that. We open up for contributions from sysadmins. And by the way we already have community.o.o where you can host a service and be a sysadmin. You just have to talk to Darix and he will figure out with you what setup fits best for it. So as you can see we're already very far and having a foundation will bring other benefits like paying for services individuals host and these money related things but it won't change anything regarding the technical aspect of machines and service administration.

Henne

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Hey, On 03/19/2010 05:23 PM, Karsten König wrote:

I don't think Bryen wanted to rant about Novells hosting here, I think this was more about if Novell would be willing to host such "renegade" material ;-)

I read planetsuse since day1 and there was never ever any "renegade" material. And if you think Novell scans all content of all Novell hosted opensuse sites and allows only certain input you are also very much mistaken. Novell is a service provider for the openSUSE community. They gladly host our stuff because they want us to succeed. Hosting is, like staffing, a big contribution Novell gives the openSUSE project. That does not mean that you can do whatever you want on our hosts. It has to be A) Legal and B) in accordance to our Guiding Principles. We, the openSUSE project, will get rid of every violation pronto. The content is ours so also ours to care about. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 19 March 2010 11:40:11 Roger Whittaker wrote:

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:28:57PM +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:

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Please only use the URL http://planet.opensu.se/ from now on, as the "old" URL http://planetsuse.org is down (it's a DNS problem).

The problem with the planetsuse.org domain is that we have no access to control it. The domain still belongs to Justin Davies, who used to be involved in SUSE/openSUSE but isn't any more since a very long time.

James Ogley used to be our gateway to him, but he's pretty busy too so, in the end, we can provide a much better service through the URL planet.opensu.se

I can always contact Justin if necessary. I've spoken to him this morning and the domain will be fixed today.

Hi Roger Could you please poke him again, as now the domain planetsuse.org landed on a parking page :( Thanks! cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser@opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org