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On Thursday, 2021-05-27 at 18:39 +0200, İsmail Dönmez wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 5:36 PM Glenn Holmer <> wrote:
On 5/27/21 8:09 AM, Martin Wilck wrote:
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I agree with Martin and also with you too. I agree that we should avoid knee-jerk reactions created by an echo bubble which happens a lot these days. And we can't have access to all the facts, not yet. But on the other hand I think what Freenode admins did is unacceptable.
Anyhow, I suggest people read https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953 and see that both parts are guilty in this, I'd be happier if we moved to Oftc.net instead.
The XFS people are migrating to oftc too. I don't have an opinion.
https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-xfs/msg52693.html
It worries me that IRC is fragmented.
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 5:05 PM Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
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On Thursday, 2021-05-27 at 18:39 +0200, İsmail Dönmez wrote:
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 5:36 PM Glenn Holmer <> wrote:
On 5/27/21 8:09 AM, Martin Wilck wrote:
...
I agree with Martin and also with you too. I agree that we should avoid knee-jerk reactions created by an echo bubble which happens a lot these days. And we can't have access to all the facts, not yet. But on the other hand I think what Freenode admins did is unacceptable.
Anyhow, I suggest people read https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953 and see that both parts are guilty in this, I'd be happier if we moved to Oftc.net instead.
The XFS people are migrating to oftc too. I don't have an opinion.
https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-xfs/msg52693.html
It worries me that IRC is fragmented.
It's always been this way. It was just a lot easier to not notice it until now.
Carlos E. R. composed on 2021-05-28 23:05 (UTC+0200):
The XFS people are migrating to oftc too. I don't have an opinion.
It worries me that IRC is fragmented.
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Hi,
the internet has always been fragmented. It even has been designed that way. And especially IRC was already grouped into various servers.
My irc clients all support multiple irc connections and I use them all to have my channel windows available.
A centralized solution like Discord or else just gives more power to a centralized entity.
All the best, Bernd
Am 29.05.21 um 00:03 schrieb Felix Miata:
Carlos E. R. composed on 2021-05-28 23:05 (UTC+0200):
The XFS people are migrating to oftc too. I don't have an opinion.
It worries me that IRC is fragmented.
On 29/05/2021 00.11, Bernd Ritter wrote:
Hi,
the internet has always been fragmented. It even has been designed that
way. And especially IRC was already grouped into various servers.
My irc clients all support multiple irc connections and I use them all to have my channel windows available.
A centralized solution like Discord or else just gives more power to a centralized entity.
Think then of Usenet instead. A client connects to a server that has a database of "all" the messages, but the messages are propagated to and from many other servers. To a user it does not matter what server he connects to, the "nntp:opensuse" group will be the same everywhere. Maybe with delays.
On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:29 PM Carlos E. R. robin.listas@telefonica.net wrote:
On 29/05/2021 00.11, Bernd Ritter wrote:
Hi,
the internet has always been fragmented. It even has been designed that
way. And especially IRC was already grouped into various servers.
My irc clients all support multiple irc connections and I use them all to have my channel windows available.
A centralized solution like Discord or else just gives more power to a centralized entity.
Think then of Usenet instead. A client connects to a server that has a database of "all" the messages, but the messages are propagated to and from many other servers. To a user it does not matter what server he connects to, the "nntp:opensuse" group will be the same everywhere. Maybe with delays.
That's pretty much the Matrix model. Every user from each server connecting to it has those replicated and can see them. That's a big part of how its decentralized model works.
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