Re: [opensuse-project] Boxed editions slipping on release dates (3 weeks in some cases)
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:33 AM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
knowing what kde or gnome version we have is plain ridiculous if we can't have a working computer...
Absolutely -- it's seriously a major issue for openSUSE. I haven't encountered anything nearly as bad with other distros (or even bsd for that matter). Anyone want to put forward a concrete plan/proposal that we can hopefully discuss/vote/implement? -- Eric Springer (Erikina) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Eric Springer wrote:
Absolutely -- it's seriously a major issue for openSUSE. I haven't encountered anything nearly as bad with other distros (or even bsd for that matter). Anyone want to put forward a concrete plan/proposal that we can hopefully discuss/vote/implement?
In one of my previous mails I and several other people have proposed to split openSUSE into a "common core" base that contains the newest hardware enablement and base system (compiler, kernel etc), and the addons, like the desktops. both can be released independently and the common core can be released in a staged fashion, allowing people to use a stable base system or the most recent base system, one of which might be ideal for their hardware. It was dismissed as "very hard to promote a new openSUSE release which only changes the base system", but I have the counter argumetn: it is a lot easier to promote a new desktop on a stable openSUSE base system (that was released and fixed already). Greetings, Dirk -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 07 January 2009 10:19:47 am Dirk Müller wrote:
On Tuesday 06 January 2009, Eric Springer wrote:
Absolutely -- it's seriously a major issue for openSUSE. I haven't encountered anything nearly as bad with other distros (or even bsd for that matter). Anyone want to put forward a concrete plan/proposal that we can hopefully discuss/vote/implement?
In one of my previous mails I and several other people have proposed to split openSUSE into a "common core" base that contains the newest hardware enablement and base system (compiler, kernel etc), and the addons, like the desktops. both can be released independently and the common core can be released in a staged fashion, allowing people to use a stable base system or the most recent base system, one of which might be ideal for their hardware.
It was dismissed as "very hard to promote a new openSUSE release which only changes the base system", but I have the counter argumetn: it is a lot easier to promote a new desktop on a stable openSUSE base system (that was released and fixed already).
Greetings, Dirk
A bit of realignment to give more space to details, including examples how new stuff can be used, will give enough bang to marketing effort, and in the same time convey a lot of usefull information. Decoupling core and leaves, can have beneficial effect on core testing, as users of any desktop/application willing to test will have dead season, ie. enough time to help. Not to mention that release schedule will be flexible and finally synced with major components. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Dirk Müller wrote:
In one of my previous mails I and several other people have proposed to split openSUSE into a "common core" base that contains the newest hardware enablement and base system (compiler, kernel etc), and the addons, like the desktops. both can be released independently That actually sounds like a plan that can be implemented relatively easy yet still have a big effect. By releasing them independently the project can use the testers' time more efficiently (focussed testing) and also get in the news more frequently, because there would be more releases (though smaller ones) in a given time. E.g. 'base' and 'addons' releasing every 12 months would give us a new release every 6 months.
It was dismissed as "very hard to promote a new openSUSE release which only changes the base system" I would have liked that a while ago! I bought my scanner just a month after the driver was included in Sane and would have _loved_ to simply update to a newer base, but to keep all my apps. Instead, I compiled Sane myself. Certainly, other people have similar problems with new hardware that just got supported with the newest kernel/libwhatever.
it is a lot easier to promote a new desktop on a stable openSUSE base system (that was released and fixed already). That sounds good, especially for people with 'old' (>2 years) computers. If all my hardware is working correctly I really see no reason why I should install the latest kernel, low level libraries and so on. That would be like fixing something that is not broken. But a nice, new desktop on top of a stable base system would certainly be attractive.
One thing that would need to be investigated is to what extent base x can work together with addons y. Theoretically it should be easy to split the distro into hardware related base (kernel, cups, sane, X) and pure software addons (OpenOffice, KDE, Gnome, Firefox) that are not interdependent, but in practice it might turn out a little trickier. Regards nordi -- Spam protection: All mail to me that does not contain the string "suse" goes to /dev/null. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
2009/1/7 Dirk Müller <dmueller@suse.de>:
In one of my previous mails I and several other people have proposed to split openSUSE into a "common core" base that contains the newest hardware enablement and base system (compiler, kernel etc), and the addons, like the desktops. both can be released independently and the common core can be released in a staged fashion, allowing people to use a stable base system or the most recent base system, one of which might be ideal for their hardware.
It was dismissed as "very hard to promote a new openSUSE release which only changes the base system", but I have the counter argumetn: it is a lot easier to promote a new desktop on a stable openSUSE base system (that was released and fixed already).
Well exactly! And when the review comparisons get done, there'd be much more chance of winning in the "just works", inutitive and performance department (even if through just avoiding recent regressions). Many didn't like the idea of "Add On" CDs, with seperate ISOs. In old days, SuSE released on many CD's, or a DVD, and it was perfectly possible to break up packages over media, or put them on one source. Why promote a release externally, if it's aimed at being a large scale test of upgraded core components, and new development of things like YaST? The ppl you want to test it, will find out about it. There's no value in getting "Joe Plumber" types installing buggy releases, as they'll not submit useful feedback, and gain a poor impression of the product. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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