On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:57:47 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le jeudi 21 avril 2011, à 17:45 +0000, Jim Henderson a écrit :

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I was just pointed at a blog posting by Frederic Crozat (who I think was working on getting the repository set up) that says GNOME3 is "ready".

Since we kinda jumped the gun in the forums with it, I'd like to (a) verify that the project is considering it ready, and (b) find out if we have an announcement that we can use in the forums.

a) Yes :-) b) http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-gnome/2011-04/msg00038.html can be used as a basis, I guess.

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On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 02:14 +0200, Markus Slopianka wrote:

I find GNOME Shell pretty stable and rather OK for daily use (I didn't test any GNOME 3.x applications.). What I don't like, though, it GNOME 3.0's dependencies on not-so-ready components. E.g. it requires NetworkManager 0.9 which according to NM's website hasn't even officially released yet (not even as beta) <http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/>. NM 0.9 also breaks everything that has not been ported to it yet.

It's not as a bad as it looks :) NM has an outdated website... the currently shipped NM in GNOME:STABLE:3.0 is the latest / best available at the time, which was tagged as 0.9.0-rc1. So there we are clearly past beta already. About apps not being ported: this is a known problem. A good bunch has been ported (not that much changed.. From what I ported myself, it was mostly old deprecated features that were finally dropped.. marked deprecated in 0.7 for example.

Thus the "ready" part is relative. It's definitely not ready for any KDE person who wants to give G3 a try because vital KDE components are left in a broken state afterwards. I've also read that G3 on openSUSE also installs some other 'ati' drivers (Gallium-based instead of the tested classic ones) which may result in unforeseen consequences for Radeon owners.

Well, we said GNOME3 was ready.. not KDE running alongside with GNOME3. The wiki page also states that especially kdenetworkmanager is known to not work and caution is in order. As for the graphic driver: you do need 3d accelerated capabilities.

So despite of the readiness of G3, I'd suggest to add a disclaimer for it's dependencies.

The wiki page [0], which guides you through the installation, says: Known issues * GNOME Shell requires 3D (openGL) support which is not currently stable enough in VirtualBox or VMWare. We recommend you disable 3D support in those environment and use GNOME 3 Fallback mode instead (it will be selected automatically). * NetworkManager 0.9, required by GNOME 3, has currently the following issues : * KDE 4 will not correctly detect network availability : you might want to switch to "traditional method with ifup" in Yast network settings, or use nm-applet (from NetworkManager-gnome package) in KDE. This issue will be fixed in next openSUSE release * Editing and enabling WPA-Entreprise wifi networks is not available from GNOME Shell network extension or GNOME Control Center network panel. This issue will be fixed shortly. * novellvpn support is not available : this issue is under investigation * root password is asked when configuring WEP/WPA account * autologin configuration in User Account panel is incorrect. Un til this bug is fixed, use Yast (User and Group Management / Expert Options / Login settings / Autologin) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=688071 * root password is asked when package repository are being updated to check for security updates. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:57:47 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le jeudi 21 avril 2011, à 17:45 +0000, Jim Henderson a écrit :

...

I was just pointed at a blog posting by Frederic Crozat (who I think was working on getting the repository set up) that says GNOME3 is "ready".

Since we kinda jumped the gun in the forums with it, I'd like to (a) verify that the project is considering it ready, and (b) find out if we have an announcement that we can use in the forums.

a) Yes :-) b) http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-gnome/2011-04/msg00038.html can be used as a basis, I guess.

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On Fri, 2011-04-22 at 02:14 +0200, Markus Slopianka wrote:

I find GNOME Shell pretty stable and rather OK for daily use (I didn't test any GNOME 3.x applications.). What I don't like, though, it GNOME 3.0's dependencies on not-so-ready components. E.g. it requires NetworkManager 0.9 which according to NM's website hasn't even officially released yet (not even as beta) <http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/>. NM 0.9 also breaks everything that has not been ported to it yet.

It's not as a bad as it looks :) NM has an outdated website... the currently shipped NM in GNOME:STABLE:3.0 is the latest / best available at the time, which was tagged as 0.9.0-rc1. So there we are clearly past beta already. About apps not being ported: this is a known problem. A good bunch has been ported (not that much changed.. From what I ported myself, it was mostly old deprecated features that were finally dropped.. marked deprecated in 0.7 for example.

Thus the "ready" part is relative. It's definitely not ready for any KDE person who wants to give G3 a try because vital KDE components are left in a broken state afterwards. I've also read that G3 on openSUSE also installs some other 'ati' drivers (Gallium-based instead of the tested classic ones) which may result in unforeseen consequences for Radeon owners.

Well, we said GNOME3 was ready.. not KDE running alongside with GNOME3. The wiki page also states that especially kdenetworkmanager is known to not work and caution is in order. As for the graphic driver: you do need 3d accelerated capabilities.

So despite of the readiness of G3, I'd suggest to add a disclaimer for it's dependencies.

The wiki page [0], which guides you through the installation, says: Known issues * GNOME Shell requires 3D (openGL) support which is not currently stable enough in VirtualBox or VMWare. We recommend you disable 3D support in those environment and use GNOME 3 Fallback mode instead (it will be selected automatically). * NetworkManager 0.9, required by GNOME 3, has currently the following issues : * KDE 4 will not correctly detect network availability : you might want to switch to "traditional method with ifup" in Yast network settings, or use nm-applet (from NetworkManager-gnome package) in KDE. This issue will be fixed in next openSUSE release * Editing and enabling WPA-Entreprise wifi networks is not available from GNOME Shell network extension or GNOME Control Center network panel. This issue will be fixed shortly. * novellvpn support is not available : this issue is under investigation * root password is asked when configuring WEP/WPA account * autologin configuration in User Account panel is incorrect. Un til this bug is fixed, use Yast (User and Group Management / Expert Options / Login settings / Autologin) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=688071 * root password is asked when package repository are being updated to check for security updates. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org