Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the list[1]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript...
Oh lawd allmighty, thanks for this decision!
Kind regards, --- Nenad Latinović holden87@opensuse.org
On 31.03.2015 11:44, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the list[1 [1]]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript... [1]
-- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org [2]
Links: ------ [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript... [2] http://www.opensuse.org
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Jim
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
I suspect, though, that my ISP is silently filtering spam, and I can't disable it. One reason for the suspicion is that now and then I get a notice from one or another list that some mail bounced:
+++—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—· Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
opensuse-web@opensuse.org
Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your information.
Here is the list of the bounced messages:
1057 —·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·++-
When I tell mlmmj to resend one of those, it typically bounces again or I get nothing. And if I locate the email on the web archive, it is spam.
The other reason is that recently I tried to reply to a certain post on the list, which had initiated with a spam post (which I think I did not get), my own ISP refused to accept my email for sending (I tried twice):
+++—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—· <2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:50 minas-tirith postfix 2420 - - 11DA9182020: from=...@telefonica.net, size=1340, nrcpt=1 (queue active) <2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:50 minas-tirith postfix 11586 - - Untrusted TLS connection established to smtp.telefonica.net[86.109.99.70]:25: TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits) <2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:51 minas-tirith postfix 11586 - - 11DA9182020: to=opensuse-factory@opensuse.org, relay=smtp.telefonica.net[86.109.99.70]:25, delay=0.91, delays=0.14/0.02/0.62/0.14, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host smtp.telefonica.net[86.109.99.70] said: 522 SPAM messages are not accepted (in reply to end of DATA command)) —·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·++-
So that must be the reason I'm almost not "seeing" spam on the opensuse mail lists...
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane. YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane. YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-)
jdd
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:52:42 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane. YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-)
Good for you.
As I said, I use gmane and pan (as a newsreader), and while the mailing list filters *and* gmane filters, it didn't catch everything. Restricting posting to subscribers only is a sensible move and solves the problem for everyone, and I appreciate the change.
Jim
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On 2015-03-31 23:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:52:42 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-)
Good for you.
As I said, I use gmane and pan (as a newsreader), and while the mailing list filters *and* gmane filters, it didn't catch everything. Restricting posting to subscribers only is a sensible move and solves the problem for everyone, and I appreciate the change.
Agreed :-)
I was not aware of the problem, but as it existed, it is a good move.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the right way to run a mailing list.
I suspect, though, that my ISP is silently filtering spam,
We filter locally, I'll have to check how much has been filtered out.
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On 04/01/2015 02:12 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the right way to run a mailing list.
Especially since its possible to subscribe without receiving mail, no real point in letting non-subscribers post.
- -- Regards, Uzair Shamim
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On 04/01/2015 02:12 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the right way to run a mailing list.
Especially since its possible to subscribe without receiving mail, no real point in letting non-subscribers post.
- -- Regards, Uzair Shamim
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On 2015-03-31 19:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
I found them. Thunderbird had silently moved tons of spam to a local folder where I did not see them. LOL.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
...where do we send the beer?
Am 31.03.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the list[1]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript...
Hey,
On 31.03.2015 21:24, Mathias Homann wrote:
...where do we send the beer?
as usual into your stomach :-)
Henne
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