31 Mar
2015
31 Mar
'15
09:44
Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam
filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists
make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good
miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non
subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better
subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some
other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the
list[1]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
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31 Mar
31 Mar
09:58
Oh lawd allmighty, thanks for this decision!
Kind regards,
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On 31.03.2015 11:44, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam
filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists
make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good
miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non
subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better
subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some
other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the
list[1 [1]]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
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16:05
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all
lists again. Non
subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Jim
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17:59
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang
wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
I suspect, though, that my ISP is silently filtering spam, and I can't disable it.
One reason for the suspicion is that now and then I get a notice from one or another list
that some mail bounced:
+++—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·
Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
opensuse-web(a)opensuse.org
Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
information.
Here is the list of the bounced messages:
1057
—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·++-
When I tell mlmmj to resend one of those, it typically bounces again or I get nothing. And
if I locate the email on the web archive, it is spam.
The other reason is that recently I tried to reply to a certain post on the list, which
had initiated with a spam post (which I think I did not get), my own ISP refused to accept
my email for sending (I tried twice):
+++—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·
<2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:50 minas-tirith postfix 2420 - - 11DA9182020:
from=<...(a)telefonica.net>et>, size=1340, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
<2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:50 minas-tirith postfix 11586 - - Untrusted TLS connection
established to smtp.telefonica.net[86.109.99.70]:25: TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128
bits)
<2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:51 minas-tirith postfix 11586 - - 11DA9182020:
to=<opensuse-factory(a)opensuse.org>rg>, relay=smtp.telefonica.net[86.109.99.70]:25,
delay=0.91, delays=0.14/0.02/0.62/0.14, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host
smtp.telefonica.net[86.109.99.70] said: 522 SPAM messages are not accepted (in reply to
end of DATA command))
—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·++-
So that must be the reason I'm almost not "seeing" spam on the opensuse
mail lists...
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Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for
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19:09
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane.
YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists
because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
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20:52
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R.
wrote:
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-)
jdd
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Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane.
YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists
because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
21:05
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:52:42 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
Good for you.
As I said, I use gmane and pan (as a newsreader), and while the mailing
list filters *and* gmane filters, it didn't catch everything.
Restricting posting to subscribers only is a sensible move and solves the
problem for everyone, and I appreciate the change.
Jim
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R.
wrote:
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-) Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane.
YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists
because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
21:36
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
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On 2015-03-31 23:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:52:42 +0200, jdd wrote:
Agreed :-)
I was not aware of the problem, but as it existed, it is a good move.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
Good for you.
As I said, I use gmane and pan (as a newsreader), and while the
mailing list filters *and* gmane filters, it didn't catch
everything. Restricting posting to subscribers only is a sensible
move and solves the problem for everyone, and I appreciate the
change. On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R.
wrote:
> Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out
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06:12
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just enough
to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the right way to
run a mailing list.
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne
Vogelsang wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-? So we have turned on subscriber only posting for
all lists again.
Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :) I suspect, though, that my ISP is silently filtering
spam,
We filter locally, I'll have to check how much has been filtered out.
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On 04/01/2015 02:12 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Especially since its possible to subscribe without receiving mail, no
real point in letting non-subscribers post.
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Regards,
Uzair Shamim
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just
enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the
right way to run a mailing list. On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne
Vogelsang wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-? So we have turned on subscriber only posting for
all lists
again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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On 04/01/2015 02:12 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Especially since its possible to subscribe without receiving mail, no
real point in letting non-subscribers post.
- --
Regards,
Uzair Shamim
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just
enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the
right way to run a mailing list. On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne
Vogelsang wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-? So we have turned on subscriber only posting for
all lists
again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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12:48
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
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On 2015-03-31 19:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
I found them. Thunderbird had silently moved tons of spam to a local
folder where I did not see them. LOL.
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Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne
Vogelsang wrote:
> So we have turned on subscriber only posting
for all lists
> again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite
annoying. :)
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31 Mar
31 Mar
19:24
...where do we send the beer?
Am 31.03.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam
filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists
make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good
miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non
subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better
subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some
other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the
list[1]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
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11:44
Hey,
On 31.03.2015 21:24, Mathias Homann wrote:
...where do we send the beer?
as usual into your stomach :-)
Henne
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