[opensuse-project] [ml-admin] Subscriber only posting is back on
Hey, after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/ The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good miss/false positive ratio. So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated. That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the list[1] Have a lot of fun... Henne [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript... -- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Oh lawd allmighty, thanks for this decision! Kind regards, --- Nenad Latinović holden87@opensuse.org On 31.03.2015 11:44, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the list[1 [1]]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript... [1]
-- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org [2]
Links: ------ [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript... [2] http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :) Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
I suspect, though, that my ISP is silently filtering spam, and I can't disable it. One reason for the suspicion is that now and then I get a notice from one or another list that some mail bounced:
+++—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·
Hi, this is the mlmmj program managing the mailinglist
opensuse-web@opensuse.org
Some messages to you could not be delivered. If you're seeing this
message it means things are back to normal, and it's merely for your
information.
Here is the list of the bounced messages:
1057
—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·++-
When I tell mlmmj to resend one of those, it typically bounces again or I get nothing. And if I locate the email on the web archive, it is spam.
The other reason is that recently I tried to reply to a certain post on the list, which had initiated with a spam post (which I think I did not get), my own ISP refused to accept my email for sending (I tried twice):
+++—·—·—·—·—·—·—·—·
<2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:50 minas-tirith postfix 2420 - - 11DA9182020: from=<...@telefonica.net>, size=1340, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
<2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:50 minas-tirith postfix 11586 - - Untrusted TLS connection established to smtp.telefonica.net[86.109.99.70]:25: TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)
<2.6> 2015-03-21 22:52:51 minas-tirith postfix 11586 - - 11DA9182020: to=
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane. YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane. YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:52:42 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
The web list was probably the worst. I follow the lists using gmane. YMMV; all I know is that I saw a fair amount of spam hitting the lists because they weren't limited to posts by subscribers.
Jim
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-)
Good for you. As I said, I use gmane and pan (as a newsreader), and while the mailing list filters *and* gmane filters, it didn't catch everything. Restricting posting to subscribers only is a sensible move and solves the problem for everyone, and I appreciate the change. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-03-31 23:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:52:42 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 31/03/2015 21:09, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:59:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
readers using thunderbird (like me) may have spam filtered out :-)
Good for you.
As I said, I use gmane and pan (as a newsreader), and while the mailing list filters *and* gmane filters, it didn't catch everything. Restricting posting to subscribers only is a sensible move and solves the problem for everyone, and I appreciate the change.
Agreed :-) I was not aware of the problem, but as it existed, it is a good move. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlUbE0gACgkQja8UbcUWM1z9gQD/eM0uc0D7DWEcFrjtd0GIK+bJ jvHdBll+M8g+nz5518YBAJtce2V1WhM7pevNC/9gnr6zZ5kdXcXLy2nn6aKj93yt =6f9G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the right way to run a mailing list.
I suspect, though, that my ISP is silently filtering spam,
We filter locally, I'll have to check how much has been filtered out. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.9°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 04/01/2015 02:12 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the right way to run a mailing list.
Especially since its possible to subscribe without receiving mail, no real point in letting non-subscribers post. - -- Regards, Uzair Shamim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVG8TQAAoJEM66EOTZRH6+2wUP/RJU9/3TzBMOc9H6RGTnmUAr efGUFGCznsBxqv2UOfpaZ5/JMJ3OOeP32ivYQogMBocm1GfpphQRWr7ejKSj8XG0 z0VDN+umrGwuIOsMZdmGtkCgxVcX4tkkaZ0SL9IT2aQuGOalo38MzxRr/07JlkUv 52aKW+aOJQkXOvZ0TgDK2WiKFIo1izhWPEBvOKkcSvIg3uW3MwA/1yWe3Y9fNffl dSVpu0e8dsYR1SwbmC+8kV3+YDZgXeIJ/AxNd4A0tu2wA2kF/waMbihlSq4WWRbI OBs8qtxaN/zellwrpXiiPloiyhCvPy6FcGKWSyWk3CWJ6jyezi3h368Fx9l4NGie G4Es3AJnFXJ1MiX5RssGxXXVieVT+hQzQTWxZMaftN1qEMfH4NguKrFkGmm6LRUX mMOtAcQBrm53PeV+SWrEJrV2QkXgPnQRZsI45epHrjOh2zV9e5x0VLemmEvsGmHh 9QnZGhEbPpnKV5/Y0nYhY6mOPycGVpfT+DQM6rRkn96DVXHfemQ6dtpypgbWrsu9 3A/E69D/FcHTjyC4/0B5OjgdSDXKZ7x5iY9QUL5EhTC//TV5WiDMQ+r6S23T1EM6 5tMNkailwVp09/ZgV0jGNLGG5/sj4WTgFffz6gO0dnGdDnft8ex9glAfnNtOGdSt /MVYhzjAe8y8B4u8NM32 =rgoC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 04/01/2015 02:12 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
In the last few weeks I have seen more than before, but only just enough to notice. Still, I think subscriber-only posting is the right way to run a mailing list.
Especially since its possible to subscribe without receiving mail, no real point in letting non-subscribers post. - -- Regards, Uzair Shamim -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVG8V3AAoJEM66EOTZRH6+5xIQALi16Fug7LrfwSeppTF2SpnM cZRTB90FdHzbY5BFnPLTw6Ti4h5ZK/NQ2f+FY3lgL3q5Q6Sm3c4Nvi1wcpbYaqBk oBZRH7DlMp7r6Tgnv1O/3CtgoN0Ro3497YC9bLYndoG/OV6/pSv5SS9aQOOT6LM3 tpoH5SzOtAlDIO/rdKwkGpgCbAC2ez3VZcjgRTmWzWKDfr/mwWmiSVDpWwX0buer toPKG1dO8K47bBVHf52uxwy5nzSy5mvV4NmGwGWoUS8yISPmpDT3EvFwUbs3ISLL 5eRidsH6vagVmW0xHTsLpAHZMzZtqfNMjbsgWjCjLgQXp0rj7EAXGAj2YeSEgzBc TSFcwrUKZaHvJW8Pn2CV96ppPszDqYm7d2EOuDnOJaiKu5D4BndCy26fEdif3iZp QCVyqFAt0U2ndfYjM1Gw6daXtNvTDkLEUR7TBB15dF/EZKJtc6+q9k6cn7enrAfu /+3baPQO0V73xp93BRo49euI+cIVGWzoCguaXUVvWLwBGUmGDU9e/wnoPBc4u1gW fAoXj62VFdsARL/Xz7WzMelCqYHqn7Rx30/iLsJdaFLhsYqtuwEGAcVjrEMvVbMS f4rEqKijsIygSUJ+Fx8I7KY2oUtwAuh8tSK7T/Z/KqEhAxxixLOmHrBiQczBSTyJ O9EBRNhPs+8WKzucnk7Y =vI++ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-03-31 19:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-03-31 18:05, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:44:05 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
Thank you. The amount of spam was quite annoying. :)
Weird. I was getting close to none. :-?
I found them. Thunderbird had silently moved tons of spam to a local folder where I did not see them. LOL. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlUigI4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1yoWwD/eYuHNn9a+HeaNCzCYnfoKHuG MW4I1ZE6Lr4+WuvXAgoA/2Q33TvWI+/Vb0was0i5+fwXZOlLlVrqrOsSxTqmR1lu =9Kk2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
...where do we send the beer? Am 31.03.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Henne Vogelsang:
Hey,
after experimenting a lot with non-subscriber posting and our spam filter we have come to the conclusion that we can't win that fight :-/
The wide range of HAM and SPAM that make it to our hundreds of lists make it virtually impossible to set up a spam filter with a good miss/false positive ratio.
So we have turned on subscriber only posting for all lists again. Non subscriber posts are moderated.
That moderation can take potentially a very long time, so better subscribe to the list you're posting to. If you receive mails by some other means (nntp or whatever) subscribe to the nomail version of the list[1]
Have a lot of fun...
Henne
[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_lists_subscription#Nomail_subscript...
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 31.03.2015 21:24, Mathias Homann wrote:
...where do we send the beer?
as usual into your stomach :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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