[opensuse-project] Leap 42.1 - consistent naming
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently. Otherwise me might end up with two competing names (= confusion). The project-page should be updated accordingly, too. BTW: - Is it "official" now that Leap 42.1 uses the 4.1-LTS-kernel? I've read that somewhere. - And has a decision been made already with respect to support-time: 3 or x years? Greetings! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 24/07/2015 18:54, Jay a écrit :
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?)
it's out (and running on my laptop)
I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
my be use simply "Leap"
- Is it "official" now that Leap 42.1 uses the 4.1-LTS-kernel?
M1 is 4.1.2-5 jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 24. Juli 2015, 19:06:05 schrieb jdd:
Le 24/07/2015 18:54, Jay a écrit :
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) it's out (and running on my laptop)
I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
my be use simply "Leap"
- Is it "official" now that Leap 42.1 uses the 4.1-LTS-kernel?
M1 is 4.1.2-5
jdd
Thanks! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am 24.07.2015 um 18:54 schrieb Jay:
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
We actually already named the download url download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 , but I failed to tweak software.opensuse.org/developer to say Leap because we have so many places that assume the distribution is named "openSUSE $VERSION", so help there is welcome Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 24. Juli 2015, 19:20:09 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
Am 24.07.2015 um 18:54 schrieb Jay:
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
We actually already named the download url download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 , but I failed to tweak software.opensuse.org/developer to say Leap because we have so many places that assume the distribution is named "openSUSE $VERSION", so help there is welcome
I'm afraid I don't have the right know-how for that. Tough luck! ;) Congratulations for Milestone 1! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> wrote:
Am 24.07.2015 um 18:54 schrieb Jay:
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
We actually already named the download url download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 , but I failed to tweak software.opensuse.org/developer to say Leap because we have so many places that assume the distribution is named "openSUSE $VERSION", so help there is welcome
download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 returns "Object not found". I assume that is because we are currently at download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 and download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 will be found when it is complete. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2015-07-24 at 14:55 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 returns "Object not found". I assume that is because we are currently at download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 and download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 will be found when it is complete.
download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/ (not the trailing /) is being properly redirected. So a repository pointing to it will work.
Dominique -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org>
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Fri, 2015-07-24 at 14:55 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 returns "Object not found". I assume that is because we are currently at download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 and download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 will be found when it is complete.
download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/ (note the trailing /) is being properly redirected. So a repository pointing to it will work.
That's interesting. Thank you. Now help me understand why download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 (note the lack of a trailing /) redirects to download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/ (with /) but download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 (without) doesn't. If download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 (without) requires a trailing / why can't the server supply it. That would be a nice service to provide those who make a small mistake, wouldn't it? Am i missing something about Linux directories that I didn't learn from using UNIX (AIX)? Respectfully, PatrickD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2015-07-25 at 15:55 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
Now help me understand why download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 (note the lack of a trailing /) redirects to download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/ (with /) but download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 (without) doesn't.
42.1-Milesteon1 is an actual existing directory on the server - so the web server can 'enter' the directory and your browser correctly reflects this with the added / 42.1 OTOH is only a server based redirect (and does not exist as a directory on the server). And the rule HAS to be to match 42.1$ ($ being 'end of line') as otherwise there would be strange redirects happening for everything with 42.1 in it. In essence: the structure on the server is setup for zypper / yast as main consumers... and for those usecases it works. For a human, there are some special cases to consider (like adding the / ).
Am i missing something about Linux directories that I didn't learn from using UNIX (AIX)?
Not really - just, as noted above: only one is a directory on the server, the other is a http server configured redirect (see for example apache's mod_rewrite for an idea) Cheers, Dominique -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org>
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 2015-07-25 at 15:55 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
Now help me understand why download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 (note the lack of a trailing /) redirects to download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/ (with /) but download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 (without) doesn't.
42.1-Milesteon1 is an actual existing directory on the server - so the web server can 'enter' the directory and your browser correctly reflects this with the added /
42.1 OTOH is only a server based redirect (and does not exist as a directory on the server). And the rule HAS to be to match 42.1$ ($ being 'end of line') as otherwise there would be strange redirects happening for everything with 42.1 in it.
In essence: the structure on the server is setup for zypper / yast as main consumers... and for those usecases it works. For a human, there are some special cases to consider (like adding the / ).
Am i missing something about Linux directories that I didn't learn from using UNIX (AIX)?
Not really - just, as noted above: only one is a directory on the server, the other is a http server configured redirect (see for example apache's mod_rewrite for an idea)
Cheers, Dominique
Thank you, that answers my question completely, but it leads, of course, to the final question, Since I don't have access to the server nor the required knowledge on how to add the additional redirect, will someone else take the initiative to add the redirect to the server? We humans like easy paths to our desired results whenever a small effort can compensate for multiple repetitions of human frailties. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 08:37 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 2015-07-25 at 15:55 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
Now help me understand why download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 (note the lack of a trailing /) redirects to download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/ (with /) but download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 (without) doesn't.
42.1-Milesteon1 is an actual existing directory on the server - so the web server can 'enter' the directory and your browser correctly reflects this with the added /
42.1 OTOH is only a server based redirect (and does not exist as a directory on the server). And the rule HAS to be to match 42.1$ ($ being 'end of line') as otherwise there would be strange redirects happening for everything with 42.1 in it.
In essence: the structure on the server is setup for zypper / yast as main consumers... and for those usecases it works. For a human, there are some special cases to consider (like adding the / ).
Am i missing something about Linux directories that I didn't learn from using UNIX (AIX)?
Not really - just, as noted above: only one is a directory on the server, the other is a http server configured redirect (see for example apache's mod_rewrite for an idea)
Cheers, Dominique
Thank you, that answers my question completely, but it leads, of course, to the final question, Since I don't have access to the server nor the required knowledge on how to add the additional redirect, will someone else take the initiative to add the redirect to the server? We humans like easy paths to our desired results whenever a small effort can compensate for multiple repetitions of human frailties.
You can't do a rewrite without the trailin slash without breaking the system badly. In short, mod_rewrite does a pattern match / replace. The normal way is: download.opensuse.org/distribtion/leap/42.1$ ($ indicating end of line) rewritten to download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 if you now leave the $ away, you end up with download.opensuse.org/distribtion/leap/42.1-Milestone1 being matched by the pattern, and being rewritten as download.opensuse.org/distribtion/leap/42.1-Milestone1-Milestone1, and so on and so forth.. I guess you understand this won't work very well :) (it CAN be worked arund with more complexity, but that generally leads to a new can of worms, causing much more debug work and more random errors). (there are more such cases in the setup, like e.g: http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed is 404, whereas http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/ redirects properly to the Tumbleweed update channel. The added complexity sort of does not weigh up the minimal gain received. Dominique -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org>
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 08:37 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 2015-07-25 at 15:55 -0700, PatrickD Garvey wrote:
Now help me understand why download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1 (note the lack of a trailing /) redirects to download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1/ (with /) but download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1 (without) doesn't.
42.1-Milesteon1 is an actual existing directory on the server - so the web server can 'enter' the directory and your browser correctly reflects this with the added /
42.1 OTOH is only a server based redirect (and does not exist as a directory on the server). And the rule HAS to be to match 42.1$ ($ being 'end of line') as otherwise there would be strange redirects happening for everything with 42.1 in it.
In essence: the structure on the server is setup for zypper / yast as main consumers... and for those usecases it works. For a human, there are some special cases to consider (like adding the / ).
Am i missing something about Linux directories that I didn't learn from using UNIX (AIX)?
Not really - just, as noted above: only one is a directory on the server, the other is a http server configured redirect (see for example apache's mod_rewrite for an idea)
Cheers, Dominique
Thank you, that answers my question completely, but it leads, of course, to the final question, Since I don't have access to the server nor the required knowledge on how to add the additional redirect, will someone else take the initiative to add the redirect to the server? We humans like easy paths to our desired results whenever a small effort can compensate for multiple repetitions of human frailties.
You can't do a rewrite without the trailin slash without breaking the system badly.
In short, mod_rewrite does a pattern match / replace. The normal way is:
download.opensuse.org/distribtion/leap/42.1$ ($ indicating end of line) rewritten to download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1-Milestone1
if you now leave the $ away, you end up with download.opensuse.org/distribtion/leap/42.1-Milestone1 being matched by the pattern, and being rewritten as
download.opensuse.org/distribtion/leap/42.1-Milestone1-Milestone1, and so on and so forth..
I guess you understand this won't work very well :) (it CAN be worked arund with more complexity, but that generally leads to a new can of worms, causing much more debug work and more random errors).
(there are more such cases in the setup, like e.g: http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed is 404, whereas http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/ redirects properly to the Tumbleweed update channel.
The added complexity sort of does not weigh up the minimal gain received.
Dominique
Thank you, Dominique. I've followed what you have explained. I guess any further proposal from me will have to wait until I try to release my own distro of an operating system. Naming really ought to be easier than this, but I guess it isn't. Thank you, PatrickD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Jay wrote:
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
The countdown says "openSUSE 42.1" rather than "Leap" is that intentional? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.com/ SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Dilip Upmanyu, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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Jay wrote:
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
The countdown says "openSUSE 42.1" rather than "Leap" is that intentional?
cu Ludwig
nop, it's not intentional... I can modify the svg files again, and make a new pull request adding "Leap"... - -- - ------------------- GPG Key: 0xC9B7E22A Aprende a proteger la privacidad de tu correo: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/es/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJV04KdAAoJEMx0Lo3Jt+IqhvsP/AhXydcjozP3LpGVw9iUFaf9 FhqxxkrKO9NoLAAoPYhqwB5x4A2p0nrV0C9HhOZoZWAa6RzSGMdvr19WhI77vLkO WUFGPiG54lPJGrkrLKMYA9Oi2oATg//SyRuu69YvrpbMd3y+Iocz9v8ztEhn4NCA 379qFpLsLY9DewkERelUJajQgVOxytIrtZVnmoX0THJPNf8i8hw+ohz6k4QRXJyo ppldkrlgh67dqq6hOxypSXY3drrsZQwUpgOYuvNjXsaI3jsMUDMKULYvFQG2W9xz GO1cTE6nXJV6yXONn4FPY5TTc9mnGlyTpg3j60rCs44UNmxd85eqPH1YN4GLbZxj nLrD3fpBAO5eHK9tg3duMUlCz+OssQfUkG7jGo/t+ACSkAj+1ezsCWWh+IVHvlUy MHjnndELZHiip5/06XSISKVw6TFEXSDdBPRAEE3yXJsZ5YNrsHVs69xW36xYypzY hDTw/+XaMEYcCafkSvo1ezmjAfWLBuc047DnCZ7rLjXMBJ7P0tac+FN/qp0Jwpj0 qnHLFyZTHCZ5GjereBGzpZEyUkEJzoYbso34ZYFpY9vBHapWeuR80YS9iPVui5rr U4dOOTnnMS/KxdZE5bhfFkpy+6wtm1mGNOvASyll6uWgTDV8eTcESpiRadllLtGy 06183Ks77T/e2OtgBDPm =5R2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/18/2015 09:08 PM, victorhck wrote:
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El 18/08/15 a las 08:51, Ludwig Nussel escribió:
Jay wrote:
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
The countdown says "openSUSE 42.1" rather than "Leap" is that intentional?
cu Ludwig
nop, it's not intentional...
I can modify the svg files again, and make a new pull request adding "Leap"...
If you don't mind Victor, I think that would be a good idea. -- Respectfully, Douglas DeMaio douglas.demaio@suse.com "In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing." - Theodore Roosevelt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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On 08/18/2015 09:08 PM, victorhck wrote:
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El 18/08/15 a las 08:51, Ludwig Nussel escribió:
Jay wrote:
Now that the first milestone for Leap 42.1 is imminent (or is it out already?) I'd like to suggest that we no longer use just "42" as a name (not even for download-links) but "Leap 42.1" or "Leap" in order to penetrate the name early and consistently.
The countdown says "openSUSE 42.1" rather than "Leap" is that intentional?
cu Ludwig
nop, it's not intentional...
I can modify the svg files again, and make a new pull request adding "Leap"...
If you don't mind Victor, I think that would be a good idea.
I did it, and have made a new PR... I had to madify a bit the image, to make the text "openSUSE" readable... seeU - -- - ------------------- GPG Key: 0xC9B7E22A Aprende a proteger la privacidad de tu correo: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/es/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJV1NQQAAoJEMx0Lo3Jt+Iq0BQP/AoCWBTE/65aiCiBzRyIgogk I8ddvM6dUAIVHT4J1YLZkXNBVQLAZXojDU9yZvV/VXaEBNn7RpXkaJ3HNebevD0q N7fACMjbkE4LVN/VsO0KnWUssaoaq91+70eAG6mjLn8xMiv3GrSUFCavoTOf7UJO 5tqmKHqqKbBrZjD7p6wDj1ekXu3AOxKn9ZzG3C3bLTlc8cl689jpjlTYvG83XPgN Xanf8/XnHhfkJvONVSOwJWbCfceKKvD+E+aeOYhc3cho9u+k1dW7U8J9X0eFxa5R rGtzl1VEcjTOmHKNwdx/7fNKTtJ299DQ9Xyuj4zA75XiIxcEi/qeZhQaUWWuEdpr kKrgIHMKkw2bHf6Xw9Xf7FVCaHdw0vvGMuehDJ0hEP1YIaI1emVtxXqyDNEFY//V Aih2HDcO5SQ+wviidyc2LKGtUv9GKK3oYjsU17GqFzwgDZUK88xp+iOme/UhonA5 tXriqtfoiK7TUdnbNMqrVx5mSZohD2IaXhjTV8UGqV2m8Kz8Vsa+2xRzmOGhQNOX v0cAICWdGgNQdhiNhD7gxcRvo0B54fl4jM3DaKfjacn8RGQbgniBb1HbZKskqo+R 3C4Wrbv9uvUALXn7z14rJsGK64Y4p/D5yGOHA88QUIl6w5bkzpgQ7leVt3VOeKr+ C/5mmUv/DSebelzLARQ2 =6hry -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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