[opensuse-project] New questions for people of openSUSE
Dear all! Because there were some discussions[1] about the questions of "people of openSUSE". To solve this issue and make the interviews maybe "community-created" I created this page for adding your desired questions. For any other information, please read the wiki-page and write your quesitons on it :D Any questions? Okay, I´ll be there for you ;) http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:People_of_openSUSE/New_questions thanks [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-03/msg00537.html Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, April 15, 2011 23:31:08 Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Dear all!
Because there were some discussions[1] about the questions of "people of openSUSE". To solve this issue and make the interviews maybe "community-created" I created this page for adding your desired questions.
For any other information, please read the wiki-page and write your quesitons on it :D
Any questions? Okay, I´ll be there for you ;)
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:People_of_openSUSE/New_questions
Please don't use this kind of hierarchy anymore for the wiki, use instead. openSUSE:New questions for people of openSUSE - and add proper links etc. Andreas
thanks
[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-03/msg00537.html
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Am 18.04.2011 11:04, schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Please don't use this kind of hierarchy anymore for the wiki, use instead.
openSUSE:New questions for people of openSUSE - and add proper links etc. okay, Is already done, see http://www.en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:People_of_openSUSE_questions
thanks to Raijko for setting up it! /kim -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Kim Leyendecker <kimleyendecker@hotmail.de> wrote:
Am 18.04.2011 11:04, schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Please don't use this kind of hierarchy anymore for the wiki, use instead.
openSUSE:New questions for people of openSUSE - and add proper links etc.
okay, Is already done, see http://www.en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:People_of_openSUSE_questions
thanks to Raijko for setting up it!
I added some questions. I suggest to just go with the 5-6 that are there now. It keeps it short and these are frankly (imho) the most interesting ones. It leaves room to add specific stuff in individual cases too.
/kim
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Am 23.04.2011 22:29, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
I added some questions. I suggest to just go with the 5-6 that are there now. It keeps it short and these are frankly (imho) the most interesting ones. It leaves room to add specific stuff in individual cases too.
thanks Jos. You already answered the old questions, I will use the new questions and maybe keep some of the old (Maybe the what questions was the most different to answer?) Do you want that I publish your old answers or want you to reanswer with the new questions? thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-04-24 Kim wrote:
Am 23.04.2011 22:29, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
I added some questions. I suggest to just go with the 5-6 that are there now. It keeps it short and these are frankly (imho) the most interesting ones. It leaves room to add specific stuff in individual cases too.
thanks Jos. You already answered the old questions, I will use the new questions and maybe keep some of the old (Maybe the what questions was the most different to answer?)
Do you want that I publish your old answers or want you to reanswer with the new questions?
Just publish it after review :D
thanks
Am 27.04.2011 05:22, schrieb Jos Poortvliet:
Just publish it after review :D ok
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Jos Poortvliet wrote:
I added some questions. I suggest to just go with the 5-6 that are there now. It keeps it short and these are frankly (imho) the most interesting ones.
Hmm, not sure what to say about those, except that they're pretty boring ... I guess it goes to show how different people are. It's not really any of my business, but when I read "People of openSUSE", I want to know about the people, not about what they do in the project. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 25.04.2011 08:56, schrieb Per Jessen:
It's not really any of my business, but when I read "People of openSUSE", I want to know about the people, not about what they do in the project.
Well, I actually wanted to merge these questions with the current question sheet. thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kdl@lhag.tk) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 25.04.2011 08:56, schrieb Per Jessen:
It's not really any of my business, but when I read "People of openSUSE", I want to know about the people, not about what they do in the project.
Well, I actually wanted to merge these questions with the current question sheet.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-04-25 Per wrote:
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 25.04.2011 08:56, schrieb Per Jessen:
It's not really any of my business, but when I read "People of openSUSE", I want to know about the people, not about what they do in the project.
Well, I actually wanted to merge these questions with the current question sheet.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense.
The problem with the current question sheet is that it is far too long. Having more than 5-6 questions simply makes it a tl;dr thing. Moreover, the current questions don't invite an interesting answer. If you ask "what is your favorite color" chances are you get "blue". In other words, a completely boring and uninteresting answer. If you ask "what is the coolest thinkg you ever did in openSUSE" you get a _personal story_, which is obviously a lot more interesting. So I suggest to ONLY ask the questions in the wiki. They are complete, ask for interesting stories and allow the person to add whatever they want. You can always ask follow-up questions if you get too little answers. Minimalism (or rather 'focus') does not only improve user interfaces and artwork but is also a virtue for writing ;-) It's your work, Kim, so your choice. I just suggest to resist the urge to add too much, dilluting what's actually interesting. For everyone who loves to read 3 page long interviews with questions about pets and the color of your underwear, 99 people tune out. Ignore the one (they can read planet.suse.org as they seem to have enough time) and go for the 99 ;-) Cheers, Jos
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On 2011-04-25 Per wrote:
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 25.04.2011 08:56, schrieb Per Jessen:
It's not really any of my business, but when I read "People of openSUSE", I want to know about the people, not about what they do in the project. Well, I actually wanted to merge these questions with the current question sheet. Okay, that makes a lot more sense.
The problem with the current question sheet is that it is far too long. Having more than 5-6 questions simply makes it a tl;dr thing.
Moreover, the current questions don't invite an interesting answer. If you ask "what is your favorite color" chances are you get "blue". In other words, a completely boring and uninteresting answer. If you ask "what is the coolest thinkg you ever did in openSUSE" you get a _personal story_, which is obviously a lot more interesting.
Actually, I think you're likely to get equally boring answers to both of those questions. However, the open style of the latter is much better than the closed ditto of the former. I would just change the 2nd question to "what is the coolest thing you ever did?"
I just suggest to resist the urge to add too much, dilluting what's actually interesting. For everyone who loves to read 3 page long interviews with questions about pets and the color of your underwear, 99 people tune out.
Or vice versa. /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-04-27 Per wrote:
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On 2011-04-25 Per wrote:
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 25.04.2011 08:56, schrieb Per Jessen:
It's not really any of my business, but when I read "People of openSUSE", I want to know about the people, not about what they do in the project.
Well, I actually wanted to merge these questions with the current question sheet.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense.
The problem with the current question sheet is that it is far too long. Having more than 5-6 questions simply makes it a tl;dr thing.
Moreover, the current questions don't invite an interesting answer. If you ask "what is your favorite color" chances are you get "blue". In other words, a completely boring and uninteresting answer. If you ask "what is the coolest thinkg you ever did in openSUSE" you get a _personal story_, which is obviously a lot more interesting.
Actually, I think you're likely to get equally boring answers to both of those questions. However, the open style of the latter is much better than the closed ditto of the former. I would just change the 2nd question to "what is the coolest thing you ever did?"
Ok, let me change this on the wiki and let's try and keep it to those questions then. I still do disagree that asking for 'your favorite color' and asking for 'coolest thing you did in openSUSE' are equally likely to get a boring answer but it's hard to prove that :D
I just suggest to resist the urge to add too much, dilluting what's actually interesting. For everyone who loves to read 3 page long interviews with questions about pets and the color of your underwear, 99 people tune out.
Or vice versa.
/Per
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On 2011-04-27 Per wrote:
Actually, I think you're likely to get equally boring answers to both of those questions. However, the open style of the latter is much better than the closed ditto of the former. I would just change the 2nd question to "what is the coolest thing you ever did?"
Ok, let me change this on the wiki and let's try and keep it to those questions then. I still do disagree that asking for 'your favorite color' and asking for 'coolest thing you did in openSUSE' are equally likely to get a boring answer but it's hard to prove that :D
Yeah - it's just my gut feeling that most opensuse members really didn't do much in the project that was particular cool. I know I didn't. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-04-28 Per wrote:
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On 2011-04-27 Per wrote:
Actually, I think you're likely to get equally boring answers to both of those questions. However, the open style of the latter is much better than the closed ditto of the former. I would just change the 2nd question to "what is the coolest thing you ever did?"
Ok, let me change this on the wiki and let's try and keep it to those questions then. I still do disagree that asking for 'your favorite color' and asking for 'coolest thing you did in openSUSE' are equally likely to get a boring answer but it's hard to prove that :D
Yeah - it's just my gut feeling that most opensuse members really didn't do much in the project that was particular cool. I know I didn't.
Tsss, sounds like something to change. Even if it just means going to the openSUSE conference, getting extremely drunk and dancing on stage in a speedo resulting in the police taking you away :D
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On 2011-04-28 Per wrote:
Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On 2011-04-27 Per wrote:
Actually, I think you're likely to get equally boring answers to both of those questions. However, the open style of the latter is much better than the closed ditto of the former. I would just change the 2nd question to "what is the coolest thing you ever did?"
Ok, let me change this on the wiki and let's try and keep it to those questions then. I still do disagree that asking for 'your favorite color' and asking for 'coolest thing you did in openSUSE' are equally likely to get a boring answer but it's hard to prove that :D
Yeah - it's just my gut feeling that most opensuse members really didn't do much in the project that was particular cool. I know I didn't.
Tsss, sounds like something to change. Even if it just means going to the openSUSE conference, getting extremely drunk and dancing on stage in a speedo resulting in the police taking you away :D
Not sure I would quite categorize that as cool, but that might be an age thing. :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 27/04/11 04:33, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
[...] The problem with the current question sheet is that it is far too long. Having more than 5-6 questions simply makes it a tl;dr thing.
I disagree. The "people of openSUSE" articles were the only articles out of the openSUSE newsletter I've ever read in full in the past because it was an interesting read about the people behind openSUSE. I think the questionnaire in the past was good.
Moreover, the current questions don't invite an interesting answer. If you ask "what is your favorite color" chances are you get "blue". In other words, a completely boring and uninteresting answer. If you ask "what is the coolest thinkg you ever did in openSUSE" you get a _personal story_, which is obviously a lot more interesting.
When I read the "people of openSUSE" article, I am not interested in "cool things they did in openSUSE" - this will just lead to a long list of boring stuff ("packaged 20 RPMs", etc) where everybody will try to squeeze as much in as possible to show how important they are. If people are asked to fill in such a questionnaire, I as a reader already know that they have contributed in one way or another to openSUSE, I don't need all the details at that point. When I read these articles and the answers, I am more interested in learning something about the person, their professional background, their motivation, and some funny personal preferences. This tells me a lot more and helps me a lot better to understand some of their points of view when it comes to openSUSE and decisions to be made. Thomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
2011/4/29 Thomas Hertweck <Thomas.Hertweck@web.de>:
On 27/04/11 04:33, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
[...] The problem with the current question sheet is that it is far too long. Having more than 5-6 questions simply makes it a tl;dr thing.
I disagree. The "people of openSUSE" articles were the only articles out of the openSUSE newsletter I've ever read in full in the past because it was an interesting read about the people behind openSUSE. I think the questionnaire in the past was good.
Moreover, the current questions don't invite an interesting answer. If you ask "what is your favorite color" chances are you get "blue". In other words, a completely boring and uninteresting answer. If you ask "what is the coolest thinkg you ever did in openSUSE" you get a _personal story_, which is obviously a lot more interesting.
When I read the "people of openSUSE" article, I am not interested in "cool things they did in openSUSE" - this will just lead to a long list of boring stuff ("packaged 20 RPMs", etc) where everybody will try to squeeze as much in as possible to show how important they are. If people are asked to fill in such a questionnaire, I as a reader already know that they have contributed in one way or another to openSUSE, I don't need all the details at that point. When I read these articles and the answers, I am more interested in learning something about the person, their professional background, their motivation, and some funny personal preferences. This tells me a lot more and helps me a lot better to understand some of their points of view when it comes to openSUSE and decisions to be made.
Generally what is cool for someone might be stupid to someone else. I think that is cool to make video-clips demonstrating openSUSE and listening to AC/DC but many people will probably find that stupid or meaningless.
Thomas
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Thomas Hertweck wrote:
If people are asked to fill in such a questionnaire, I as a reader already know that they have contributed in one way or another to openSUSE, I don't need all the details at that point. When I read these articles and the answers, I am more interested in learning something about the person, their professional background, their motivation, and some funny personal preferences. This tells me a lot more and helps me a lot better to understand some of their points of view when it comes to openSUSE and decisions to be made.
Thomas
Completely agree. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 29.04.2011 10:41, schrieb Thomas Hertweck:
I disagree. The "people of openSUSE" articles were the only articles out of the openSUSE newsletter I've ever read in full in the past because it was an interesting read about the people behind openSUSE. I think the questionnaire in the past was good.
Moreover, the current questions don't invite an interesting answer. If you ask "what is your favorite color" chances are you get "blue". In other words, a completely boring and uninteresting answer. If you ask "what is the coolest thinkg you ever did in openSUSE" you get a _personal story_, which is obviously a lot more interesting. When I read the "people of openSUSE" article, I am not interested in "cool things they did in openSUSE" - this will just lead to a long list of boring stuff ("packaged 20 RPMs", etc) where everybody will try to squeeze as much in as possible to show how important they are.
You´re right something like to show: I´m so cool, I´ve done so much things, I am your god!" But on the other side, if Greg KH says, he´s the man behind Tumbleweed, a new user, who reads the article on news.o.o, will remember Greg for asking questions if there are ones.
If people are asked to fill in such a questionnaire, I as a reader already know that they have contributed in one way or another to openSUSE, I don't need all the details at that point. When I read these articles and the answers, I am more interested in learning something about the person, their professional background, their motivation, and some funny personal preferences. This tells me a lot more and helps me a lot better to understand some of their points of view when it comes to openSUSE and decisions to be made.
Maybe for you as a project member. Not as a "greenhorn" who is comming new to openSUSE thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
To find a solution: We merge Jos´ questions with the existent together, and let the interviewed person the choice, which of the answers he or she wants to answer. Is this a deal, with it is everybody happy? ;) thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-04-29 Kim wrote:
To find a solution:
We merge Jos´ questions with the existent together, and let the interviewed person the choice, which of the answers he or she wants to answer.
Is this a deal, with it is everybody happy? ;)
No, because you'll never get everybody happy. You do the interviews, so you decide. If you think sending 50 questions is better, do it. If you think sending 5 questions is better, do it. Listen to the input here but don't try to find an agreement. I disagree with Per on what's cool and that'll never change; I don't like AC/DC so Kostas won't like me anymore - it won't change. And Thomas thinks he will consider cool things someone did in openSUSE boring while I think it would be more interesting that somoene's stamp collecting hobby. Won't change. So don't bother, really. Try to find what you think is best - you do the work, after all. ;-) (yes, I feel we try to find consensus a bit too often on this list. You won't find that in many cases, and frankly, who cares? If someone here disagrees with the choices Kim makes, hey, start doing your own interviews and we'll publish them on news.o.o, no problem!)
thanks
On 29/04/11 12:40, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
[...] But on the other side, if Greg KH says, he´s the man behind Tumbleweed, a new user, who reads the article on news.o.o, will remember Greg for asking questions if there are ones. [...] Maybe for you as a project member. Not as a "greenhorn" who is comming new to openSUSE
Fair comment. However, I think the point you are trying to make has already been addressed in the past by the question "In what way do you participate in the openSUSE project?" (where GKH could, for instance, state his involvement in Tumbleweed). This question has been there right from the beginning of the questionnaire. Thomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 29.04.2011 14:29, schrieb Thomas Hertweck:
Fair comment. However, I think the point you are trying to make has already been addressed in the past by the question "In what way do you participate in the openSUSE project?" (where GKH could, for instance, state his involvement in Tumbleweed). This question has been there right from the beginning of the questionnaire.
Okay, I think the best way is to merge all the questions we have already and let the interviewed person choose which questions he/she wants to answer. So, everybody can answer the question, he wants, and it becomes more personally at all. By the way, two, on the first looking, the same questons can be interpreted different by the people. Maybe, we achieve this with our questions too. And by the way again, if you read such a question catalog really fast, you maybe missunderstand the questions and think, that the question "How many people ask you about "is openSUSE Linux?"? means "How many people ask you about *what* is openSUSE Linux? So, let us wait for a while and see, which questions becomes the more beloved, Then we can focuss on the more beloved and leave out the less beloved. This is how open source projects works actually, why not using the same concept for such an easy thing, a question catalog is in my eyes? thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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