A post that really needs to go to the opensuse project list as well as our own list. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:05:46 -0700 From: Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] After testing 11.2......... On Wed, 11 Nov 2009, Hans Witvliet wrote:

On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 11:04 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

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Additionally, until there is some resolution of the Long Term Support issue, the short life span of most releases means none but the hobbyist will be moving from Ubuntu, certainly not any of the OEM's releasing Linux machines. Ubuntu LucidLynx due in April will be the next LTS version.

OpenSuse's LTS is still a pipe dream. http://lwn.net/Articles/350229/

I do not think it is a pipe dreame given we are working on it and we have 18 months before it goes into an un-supported state. There is more of an ergentcy if we dow and openSLES.

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Its just pretty hard justify OpenSuse on Aunt Nellie's machine when you know you will have to do it all over in 18 months.

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just some remarks.... ..do it all over in 18 months... uh, what wrong with a "zypper dup" once in a while? Or are you visiting Aunt Nellie only once every five years? '-) 8^) Looks like the people commenting on lwn's artice are missing the main point: You see comments like "Novell should this or that..."

If the community really likes a openSuSE-LTS thing, the community should provide it. I just can not imagine what Novell would be gaining by it, It will only cost them dearly, both in man-hours but also in cpu-cycles and storage. Because of it, they removed all 10.3-repo's from the OBS.

Novell has said we may use OBS and possibly create an area for openSUSE LTS. They had assisted in having an Education project with iso and all. The thing in this initiative, has really come down to 2 options. An openSLES, or an limited server oriented openSUSE. The choices are SLES 11 for openSLES and openSUSE 11.2 for open SUSE xxx LTS.

Anybody around having their own OBS who can completely rebuild 10.3? Probably not... If one can find enough resources do rebuild it, one needs a small army of competent and trust-worthy people who are willing to spent huge amount of time debugging, recoding, testing testing and retesting.

And by the way, one needs probably also their own bugtracking system, and probably more of those little things..

Would love to see it (good for the community) but i think it's highly unlikely it will ever become reality.

There are plenty of private OBS's ofr Local BS's. The reall isssue is trust in who is doing what for what. Taking with the SLES management has expressed concerns that with the current economic condidtion we would greatly reduce the number of SLES purchases. The key people in the SLES group who I thought would welcome the project with open arms were not very enthusiastic about it. But given most of us wanting to do this come from the openSUSE community we have had talks with many openSUSE and other Managment. One thing that has come out of it is the announcement With the announcement http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-announce/2009-10/msg00013.html We now have the oportunity to now really be able to provide and openSUSE LTS with out a lot of obstucales. In the various talks we have had it appears the given the current economic climit, we could posssibly do more harm than good with an openSLES. Most of the members that have stepped up to be willing to do the security updates and back ports have come from the openSUSE community. With the community taking over support and many other functions with the aid of openSUSE, we gain critical training and open dialogs with the current support team to gain knowledge to provide with the choosen community members a team that during the openSUSE 11.2 life time can/ or are able to build the trust needed for an openSUSE LTS. Personally I have change from a strong openSLES to looking at embracing openSUSE in a reduced set that would be about the same work, but with out the need for an attorney and many of the issues/problems I saw with openSLES There have been talks with the SLES managment and the ones that I thought would be behind such an effort right now seem to view it as more of a problem; Natuarlly there are those that are the free-loaders, who do not step up to the plate and really take part in any way they are able, whether it be coding, financial support, manuals... Also I was in hopes of gaining support from Novell in the form of a free SLES with the ability to get the SLES updates with little to now probem. I had hoped for this so we do not in any way endanger current SLES licenses. We need to take this all in mind with our decisison as to which initiative we choose. This where we are now. We are waiting for us to do the things we normally do with a new release. So this will take up a few weeks before we really see more movement on this initiative. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org