Minutes Board Meeting 2022-09-26
= Board Meeting Monday 2022-09-26 13:00 CEST = * Present: Axel, Gertjan, Syds, Mau * Guests: * Excused: Gerald and Neal (travelling), Attila == openSUSE Remix === * What needs to be done if openSUSE should be used as basis for a new Distro / Remix? * Current wiki entry outdated https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Making_an_openSUSE_based_distribution - need to rewrite * Gecko Linux has some scripts on github, that might help: https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinux-project * If the respin uses only OBS packages, no additional rebrading required * Axel: If we see a respin, people should notice that the basis is openSUSE (see Distrowatchs anouncements of Distros...based on....) * Ask SUSE legal for advise / maybe Lubos knows as well - Axel to ask Gerald for advise whom to contact at SUSE == openSUSE Asia Sumit == * Key note will be held by Mau and Attila on Friday September 30th. * Topic - about the project and how to contribute Meeting closed at 13:26 CEST -- Syds Bearda Treasurer openSUSE Project opensuse@syds.eu
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 7:31 AM Syds Bearda <opensuse@syds.eu> wrote:
= Board Meeting Monday 2022-09-26 13:00 CEST =
* Present: Axel, Gertjan, Syds, Mau * Guests: * Excused: Gerald and Neal (travelling), Attila
== openSUSE Remix === * What needs to be done if openSUSE should be used as basis for a new Distro / Remix? * Current wiki entry outdated https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Making_an_openSUSE_based_distribution - need to rewrite * Gecko Linux has some scripts on github, that might help: https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinux-project * If the respin uses only OBS packages, no additional rebrading required
This is likely not true. If the respin uses only *openSUSE* packages (packages from the openSUSE: namespace), then that's probably the case. Other packages from OBS are just like any other repository and would not qualify for leveraging the openSUSE branding. We could probably make some carve-outs for linked devel projects, because they usually have Factory rules imposed on them too.
* Axel: If we see a respin, people should notice that the basis is openSUSE (see Distrowatchs anouncements of Distros...based on....) * Ask SUSE legal for advise / maybe Lubos knows as well - Axel to ask Gerald for advise whom to contact at SUSE
It might be worth it to look at how Fedora handles this for inspiration on how to structure our guidance: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Distributing_Fedor... * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix Maybe worth reaching out to them to see if they've got some more concise guidance on this that we could crib off of? Those two links were all I could quickly find. -- Neal Gompa (ID: Pharaoh_Atem)
Hi Neal, On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 7:39 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa@opensuse.org> wrote:
== openSUSE Remix === * What needs to be done if openSUSE should be used as basis for a new Distro / Remix? * Current wiki entry outdated https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Making_an_openSUSE_based_distribution - need to rewrite * Gecko Linux has some scripts on github, that might help: https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinux-project * If the respin uses only OBS packages, no additional rebrading required
This is likely not true. If the respin uses only *openSUSE* packages (packages from the openSUSE: namespace), then that's probably the case. Other packages from OBS are just like any other repository and would not qualify for leveraging the openSUSE branding.
You are right, "If the respin uses only OBS packages, no additional rebrading required" is not a statement but rather a point of discussion we had. Conclusion was that we need to have a consultation, possibly with SUSE Legal on this matter. Sorry for the confusion. Best, Maurizio
Hi On 9/26/22 21:22, Maurizio Galli wrote:
Hi Neal,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2022 at 7:39 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa@opensuse.org> wrote:
== openSUSE Remix === * What needs to be done if openSUSE should be used as basis for a new Distro / Remix? * Current wiki entry outdated https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Making_an_openSUSE_based_distribution - need to rewrite * Gecko Linux has some scripts on github, that might help: https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinux-project * If the respin uses only OBS packages, no additional rebrading required
This is likely not true. If the respin uses only *openSUSE* packages (packages from the openSUSE: namespace), then that's probably the case. Other packages from OBS are just like any other repository and would not qualify for leveraging the openSUSE branding.
You are right, "If the respin uses only OBS packages, no additional rebrading required" is not a statement but rather a point of discussion we had. Conclusion was that we need to have a consultation, possibly with SUSE Legal on this matter. Sorry for the confusion.
You are actually looking at the wrong wiki page https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines has the needed info (it was written when SUSE studio was around and this process was much easier) But basically Neal is right in that using only things under the openSUSE namespace is essentially still openSUSE as it has undergone our code and legal reviews. Where as use of packages outside that namespace on obs or from outside (flatpak's, docker images, other rpm's) would mean that it is no longer a "Remix" of openSUSE, it is now a derivative distribution because it uses resources that are not part of the openSUSE project and under our current trademark guidelines would then need to be rebranded. As a hypothetical example (i'm not on the board I have no idea what triggered this discussion), say someone wanted to bring back "openSUSE Edu" if they submitted all there packages into Factory and or Backports they could then use kiwi (or other tools) to create a specific image with a curated set of packages called "openSUSE Edu". If instead they chose to include packages directly from the Education or Science repo directly on obs then they are now including content that isn't part of openSUSE and as such is a modified distribution so you'd have to call it something like "Education Linux - Based on openSUSE" or "Linux EDU - Powered by openSUSE" -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
On Mon, 2022-09-26 at 07:38 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
We could probably make some carve-outs for linked devel projects, because they usually have Factory rules imposed on them too.
No, they don't. ONLY the official Factory packages have legal reviews, installation checks, and opensuse-review-team reviews applied for example Devel Projects are NOT openSUSE, they are just part of the path to something BECOMING openSUSE. -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstraße 146, D-90461 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Directors/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Martje Boudien Moerman
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