[opensuse-project] composition of OpenSUSE
For recent releases (not historical past), is OpenSUSE derived from other distributions (I have a coworker who thought all distributions trace back to Red Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding) or is it taking the inputs of the Linux kernel, GNU rest of OS plus building other packages from source distributions from the package maintainers (like LibreOffice). I know that Yum is included, but are there other parts from RedHat? Kevin Buchs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 30 July 2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs <kevin.buchs.junk@gmail.com> wrote:
openSUSE is not derived from other distributions We probably have yum available thanks to the ridiculous power of OBS (http://www.openbuildservice.org) which makes it very easy for us to both build packages FOR other distributions, and build packages for our distribution FROM other distributions but openSUSE releases are most certainly not derived from anything, except openSUSE Factory, formerly our 'testing ground', now a viable rolling release for both developers, enthusiasts, and our distribution contributors -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
There are thousands of upstream projects that openSUSE pulls from, but no upstream distribution. Obviously the kernel is an upstream project, but so is util-linux as an example. http://freecode.com/projects/util-linux Some of the upstream projects get lots of support from Redhat, but that does not make openSUSE derived from Redhat. As a maintainer of several packages I can say I look at Redhat spec files if they exist when I start a new packaging effort, but after that first version my openSUSE version tends to diverge pretty quickly. That in fact may be one of the best "proofs". Redhat spec files in general can't build openSUSE packages. A new openSUSE specific spec file is needed, or if/then logic has to be incorporated into a single more complex specfile. Greg -- Greg Freemyer On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Kevin Buchs <kevin.buchs.junk@gmail.com> wrote:
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 30/07/2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs a écrit :
For recent releases (not historical past), is OpenSUSE derived from other distributions
openSUSE is not derived from other distribution, in the sense of Ubuntu being derived from Debian in fact openSUSE is probably one if not the one first Linux distribution. Many distributions can be derived from openSUSE through suse studio jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, jdd wrote:
Actually, S.u.S.E. is partly derived from / influenced by both Slackware and jurix. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions#History
in fact openSUSE is probably one if not the one first Linux distribution.
Yes. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeli... Depending on what you consider the starting point (SuSE's Slackware distribution or jurix) it's the third or fourth oldest (after Slackware, Debian and possibly Redhat) that still exists. HTH, -dnh -- Digital files cannot be made uncopyable, any more than water can be made not wet. --Bruce Schneier on `copy protection' schemes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 30.07.2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs wrote:
For recent releases (not historical past), is OpenSUSE derived from other distributions
Not at all.
I have a coworker who thought all distributions trace back to Red Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding
Historically openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux, was derived in 1996 from a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions. How about you show your under-educated coworker the GNU/Linux Distribution Timeline? ;-) http://futurist.se/gldt/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 01:05:37 PM Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
Historically openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux, was derived in 1996 from a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions.
In 12.3 you can still see Slackware remains in /etc. Also as I understand the history, Patrick Volkerding (Slackware author) himself was here in Furth (??) in the SUSE HQ helping or playing with the distro at the very beginning. -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 31.07.2014 13:21, Alberto Planas Dominguez wrote:
Fortunately you have the privilege to just go to Huberts (3.2.5) or Thomas (3.2.11) office and let the Grandpa's tell you about the good ol' times. I recommend it :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On July 31, 2014 7:05:37 AM EDT, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org> wrote:
Nice graphic! -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 30 July 2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs <kevin.buchs.junk@gmail.com> wrote:
openSUSE is not derived from other distributions We probably have yum available thanks to the ridiculous power of OBS (http://www.openbuildservice.org) which makes it very easy for us to both build packages FOR other distributions, and build packages for our distribution FROM other distributions but openSUSE releases are most certainly not derived from anything, except openSUSE Factory, formerly our 'testing ground', now a viable rolling release for both developers, enthusiasts, and our distribution contributors -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
There are thousands of upstream projects that openSUSE pulls from, but no upstream distribution. Obviously the kernel is an upstream project, but so is util-linux as an example. http://freecode.com/projects/util-linux Some of the upstream projects get lots of support from Redhat, but that does not make openSUSE derived from Redhat. As a maintainer of several packages I can say I look at Redhat spec files if they exist when I start a new packaging effort, but after that first version my openSUSE version tends to diverge pretty quickly. That in fact may be one of the best "proofs". Redhat spec files in general can't build openSUSE packages. A new openSUSE specific spec file is needed, or if/then logic has to be incorporated into a single more complex specfile. Greg -- Greg Freemyer On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Kevin Buchs <kevin.buchs.junk@gmail.com> wrote:
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 30/07/2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs a écrit :
For recent releases (not historical past), is OpenSUSE derived from other distributions
openSUSE is not derived from other distribution, in the sense of Ubuntu being derived from Debian in fact openSUSE is probably one if not the one first Linux distribution. Many distributions can be derived from openSUSE through suse studio jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, jdd wrote:
Actually, S.u.S.E. is partly derived from / influenced by both Slackware and jurix. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_distributions#History
in fact openSUSE is probably one if not the one first Linux distribution.
Yes. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeli... Depending on what you consider the starting point (SuSE's Slackware distribution or jurix) it's the third or fourth oldest (after Slackware, Debian and possibly Redhat) that still exists. HTH, -dnh -- Digital files cannot be made uncopyable, any more than water can be made not wet. --Bruce Schneier on `copy protection' schemes -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 30.07.2014 22:45, Kevin Buchs wrote:
For recent releases (not historical past), is OpenSUSE derived from other distributions
Not at all.
I have a coworker who thought all distributions trace back to Red Hat/Fedora and whom I am trying to disavow of this misunderstanding
Historically openSUSE, then called SUSE Linux, was derived in 1996 from a mixture of the Jurix and Slackware distributions. How about you show your under-educated coworker the GNU/Linux Distribution Timeline? ;-) http://futurist.se/gldt/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
participants (8)
-
Alberto Planas Dominguez -
David Haller -
Greg Freemyer -
Henne Vogelsang -
jdd -
Kevin Buchs -
Peter Czanik -
Richard Brown