I'll just reply to the first part (about MATE / Cinnamon packages) here.
The other points you raise seem to be about issues between different
people (including you), and I feel it's better to handle that privately
first -- I'm happy to discuss this with you, if you want.
Le vendredi 25 janvier 2013, à 19:18 +0000, Nelson Marques a écrit :
Dear openSUSE members, enthusiasts and everyone else,
I am writing this lines to express my indignation towards something
that was published on official communication from the project in the
following news article, and I quote (ipsis verbis):
"We also heard that GNOME 3.6 would have packages as soon as it is
released, and GNOME 2 fork Mate and the GNOME Shell alternative
Cinnamon were both packaged and built for openSUSE 12.2 as well!"
Regarding this I would like to state the following:
1) I was for the most the person involved with the packages in
question; From which Cinnamon was actually in Factory for a few days
and then I called off due to an upstream move (the UP branches) that
left a brilliant nightmare for downstreamers. The software integration
with GNOME infra-structure was broken, was buggy and not working. This
was something at the time I couldn't fix and no one was available to
help me, so I called off the packages from Factory. For this I was
accused by a person with most likely know-how to help fix things (but
did nothing) of trying to DoS the release team.
2) For MATE to be accepted by the community I would have to find
co-maintainers; in 3 public calls I had zero replies. On a private
talk with Raymond he said he could help maintain them.
It is strangely how you dare to mention MATE packages
when for 1 month
I abandoned them, no one did actually nothing for them; no one stepped
to co-maintain them, no one cared to help improve them for Factory, no
one even cared to have them accepted for all I know. Shame on you
I think you're reading too much in this news story: people who wrote
this article have worked hard to relate what happened during 12.2
development, and around its release and clearly can't follow everything.
I guess they've heard about the Cinnamon and MATE packages, because it's
something you talked about in several places (on mailing lists, irc and
probably in blog posts too). But they might have not seen the fact that
they were abandoned: was it properly announced? And when? As far as I
can tell, you worked on MATE packages at least until November, and it
could well be that the marketing team didn't look at what happened later
than that: after all, this was an article about how the release went, so
it was about events around September...
As usual, I think it's better to assume that people meant well, and in
this case, they were probably simply lacking the right information.
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