Thoughts on capturing the CentOS marketshare...
Hi all, as you probably know by now, traditional CentOS is being depreciated by RedHat, and is going to be replaced by CentOS Stream which will basically be the development branch for RHEL N+1... Many (CentOS / RHEL) users are upset about this as this will / may have impact on their products and / or services, I see it as an opportunity to capture some of the CentOS market-share and for SUSE perhaps even some RHEL market share... I am wondering if someone here is committed to trying to come up with the strategy on how to go about that, I think it will be essential to produce easy to understand migration guides from Centos -> openSUSE Leap and stress that CentOS is moving in the exactly opposite direction as we are moving with openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise... If this gains traction here and interest of perhaps 5 - 10 people with right skillset: - technical writer - graphics designer (who does not like pretty graphics) - geeks (so we can translate and test CentOS guides for openSUSE) It will make sense to discuss our thoughts on some sort of a conf. call, by the end of this week, or early next week, and move forward from there... Thoughts? I myself have more knowledge about CentOS / RHEL that I would like, I have started some promotions on Reddit and other social media and it seems it is gaining traction... In addition @ddemaio@opensuse.org is there any chance to have some small budget allocated for some PPC campaign or something like that from the SUSE side? I am not sure how exactly these things work, but I am more than happy to take that off-line with you and discuss options if there are any. -- Best regards / S pozdravem, BSc. Mark Stopka, BBA Managing Partner (at) PERLUR Group mobile: +420 704 373 561 website: www.perlur.cloud
Am Mi, 9. Dez, 2020 um 11:29 P. M. schrieb Mark Stopka <mstopka@opensuse.org>:
If this gains traction here and interest of perhaps 5 - 10 people with right skillset: - technical writer - graphics designer (who does not like pretty graphics) - geeks (so we can translate and test CentOS guides for openSUSE)
We have marketing, documentation and artwork mailing lists which probably should have been CC'd for this email ;) LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world
Sorry for "top-posting"... As you may know, CentOS (free clone of RHEL) is changing it's direction from being a RHEL clone to being a test-bed for RHEL N+1 version, the new product is called CentOS Stream, big part of CentOS community is rightfully upset about it and they are looking for alternatives, I was thinking we could capture a significant part of that market if we approach the issue with the right strategy and united, we certainly do have a lot to offer, starting with openSUSE Leap, going thru OBS (which is in my opinion sort of a killer app), all the way to all other more use-case specific "micro projects"... I would like to see if we can put together a team of 5 - 10 people with skills cited below by Stasiek from my original post to project@ only, now let me see how many bounce messages I get from CCing the specific mailing lists :-) Further citing from my original post, I believe this may actually work, I was already spreading the word on Reddit all day today....
I am wondering if someone here is committed to trying to come up with the strategy on how to go about that, I think it will be essential to produce easy to understand migration guides from CentOS -> openSUSE Leap and stress that CentOS is moving in the exact opposite direction as we are moving with openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise...
If we get some small group of committed people together, it makes sense then to have an alignment call and discuss specifics, and manage it as a sort of a project just to evaluate results and perhaps implement some continuous improvements, the whole process of "killing original CentOS" is planned for about a year, but there will be a big spike in next few weeks I believe, followed by a long tail... On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:33 PM Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@opensuse.org> wrote:
Am Mi, 9. Dez, 2020 um 11:29 P. M. schrieb Mark Stopka <mstopka@opensuse.org>:
If this gains traction here and interest of perhaps 5 - 10 people with right skillset: - technical writer - graphics designer (who does not like pretty graphics) - geeks (so we can translate and test CentOS guides for openSUSE)
We have marketing, documentation and artwork mailing lists which probably should have been CC'd for this email ;)
-- Best regards / S pozdravem, BSc. Mark Stopka, BBA Managing Partner (at) PERLUR Group mobile: +420 704 373 561 website: www.perlur.cloud On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:33 PM Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@opensuse.org> wrote:
Am Mi, 9. Dez, 2020 um 11:29 P. M. schrieb Mark Stopka <mstopka@opensuse.org>:
If this gains traction here and interest of perhaps 5 - 10 people with right skillset: - technical writer - graphics designer (who does not like pretty graphics) - geeks (so we can translate and test CentOS guides for openSUSE)
We have marketing, documentation and artwork mailing lists which probably should have been CC'd for this email ;)
LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world
Hi all, On 12/9/20 11:46 PM, Mark Stopka wrote:
Sorry for "top-posting"...
As you may know, CentOS (free clone of RHEL) is changing it's direction from being a RHEL clone to being a test-bed for RHEL N+1 version, the new product is called CentOS Stream, big part of CentOS community is rightfully upset about it and they are looking for alternatives, I was thinking we could capture a significant part of that market if we approach the issue with the right strategy and united, we certainly do have a lot to offer, starting with openSUSE Leap, going thru OBS (which is in my opinion sort of a killer app), all the way to all other more use-case specific "micro projects"...
I would like to see if we can put together a team of 5 - 10 people with skills cited below by Stasiek from my original post to project@ only, now let me see how many bounce messages I get from CCing the specific mailing lists :-)
Further citing from my original post, I believe this may actually work, I was already spreading the word on Reddit all day today....
I am wondering if someone here is committed to trying to come up with the strategy on how to go about that, I think it will be essential to produce easy to understand migration guides from CentOS -> openSUSE Leap and stress that CentOS is moving in the exact opposite direction as we are moving with openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise... I've been giving it some thought. I have come up with a little of a strategy for this, which I started on https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/migratefromcentos <https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/migratefromcentos>
It still needs some refinement and community input, but for the most part it addresses an immediate vision.
If we get some small group of committed people together, it makes sense then to have an alignment call and discuss specifics, and manage it as a sort of a project just to evaluate results and perhaps implement some continuous improvements, the whole process of "killing original CentOS" is planned for about a year, but there will be a big spike in next few weeks I believe, followed by a long tail...
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:33 PM Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@opensuse.org> wrote:
Am Mi, 9. Dez, 2020 um 11:29 P. M. schrieb Mark Stopka <mstopka@opensuse.org>:
If this gains traction here and interest of perhaps 5 - 10 people with right skillset: - technical writer - graphics designer (who does not like pretty graphics) - geeks (so we can translate and test CentOS guides for openSUSE) As for the PPC, I didn't mention that in the etherpad. I'll have to look at the overall budget to see what we can afford per month/quarter, which I can chat with the board about it. I would prefer that in doing a PPC, we only do it for certain content. Maybe marketing has a meeting for each proposed PPC item per month or quarter to make a determination. I could see a PPC being very useful in this situation for something like "migration guides from CentOS to openSUSE Leap" or videos showing something similar. v/r Doug
Dne čtvrtek 10. prosince 2020 12:17:51 CET, ddemaio napsal(a):
On 12/9/20 11:46 PM, Mark Stopka wrote:
Sorry for "top-posting"... As you may know, CentOS (free clone of RHEL) is changing it's direction from being a RHEL clone to being a test-bed for RHEL N+1 version, the new product is called CentOS Stream, big part of CentOS community is rightfully upset about it and they are looking for alternatives, I was thinking we could capture a significant part of that market if we approach the issue with the right strategy and united, we certainly do have a lot to offer, starting with openSUSE Leap, going thru OBS (which is in my opinion sort of a killer app), all the way to all other more use-case specific "micro projects"... I would like to see if we can put together a team of 5 - 10 people with skills cited below by Stasiek from my original post to project@ only, now let me see how many bounce messages I get from CCing the specific mailing lists :-)
I am wondering if someone here is committed to trying to come up with the strategy on how to go about that, I think it will be essential to produce easy to understand migration guides from CentOS -> openSUSE Leap and stress that CentOS is moving in the exact opposite direction as we are moving with openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise...
I've been giving it some thought. I have come up with a little of a strategy for this, which I started on <https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/migratefromcentos> It still needs some refinement and community input, but for the most part it addresses an immediate vision.
If I imagine myself if I'd have to migrate (for whatever reason), my main worries would be: 1) Different way to do common tasks, especially package management and services (YaST? Any differences in SystemD?). 2) Migration of data and respective settings. Everyone can export-import MySQL DB or so, but what about settings? Does it have same location? Differences? Both can be addressed by good documentation, some examples, etc. We can easily list common services. Basic LAMP or so can be easy, but what about things like LDAP, Kerberos, complex networking, mail server, ...? Could we anyhow facilitate the migration of the data? Like: - describe differences in placement of configuration files (if there are any) - describe differences among configuration files (e.g. are there any differences in e.g. php.ini?) - describe differences among versions (MySQL, ...) and what to be aware of - comparison of Centos-specific and openSUSE-specific commands (e.g. yum/dnf vs. zypper, usage of YaST) - advertise advantages of Btrfs, snapper and respective YaST module - examples of common scenarios (LAMP, authentication against LDAP/Kerberos, firewall settings, ...) and how to migrate them I'd also wonder if such migration guide should be part of main documentation either at https://doc.opensuse.org/ or https://en.opensuse.org/ or if it should get its own place (later we could add how to migrate from Debian/ Ubuntu;-). As translator, I'd also wonder how to translate these things. It could be helpful. AFAIK doc.opensuse.org isn't translatable, wiki is. Or would some language-specific site be generally better? Time is running, we must be quick here. :-) -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/ Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/
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Dne čtvrtek 10. prosince 2020 12:17:51 CET, ddemaio napsal(a):
On 12/9/20 11:46 PM, Mark Stopka wrote:
Sorry for "top-posting"... As you may know, CentOS (free clone of RHEL) is changing it's direction from being a RHEL clone to being a test-bed for RHEL N+1 version, the new product is called CentOS Stream, big part of CentOS community is rightfully upset about it and they are looking for alternatives, I was thinking we could capture a significant part of that market if we approach the issue with the right strategy and united, we certainly do have a lot to offer, starting with openSUSE Leap, going thru OBS (which is in my opinion sort of a killer app), all the way to all other more use-case specific "micro projects"... I would like to see if we can put together a team of 5 - 10 people with skills cited below by Stasiek from my original post to project@ only, now let me see how many bounce messages I get from CCing the specific mailing lists :-)
I am wondering if someone here is committed to trying to come up with the strategy on how to go about that, I think it will be essential to produce easy to understand migration guides from CentOS -> openSUSE Leap and stress that CentOS is moving in the exact opposite direction as we are moving with openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise...
I've been giving it some thought. I have come up with a little of a strategy for this, which I started on <https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/migratefromcentos> It still needs some refinement and community input, but for the most part it addresses an immediate vision.
If I imagine myself if I'd have to migrate (for whatever reason), my main worries would be: 1) Different way to do common tasks, especially package management and services (YaST? Any differences in SystemD?). 2) Migration of data and respective settings. Everyone can export- import MySQL DB or so, but what about settings? Does it have same location? Differences? Both can be addressed by good documentation, some examples, etc. We can easily list common services. Basic LAMP or so can be easy, but what about things like LDAP, Kerberos, complex networking, mail server, ...? Could we anyhow facilitate the migration of the data? Like: - describe differences in placement of configuration files (if there are any) - describe differences among configuration files (e.g. are there any differences in e.g. php.ini?) - describe differences among versions (MySQL, ...) and what to be aware of - comparison of Centos-specific and openSUSE-specific commands (e.g. yum/dnf vs. zypper, usage of YaST) - advertise advantages of Btrfs, snapper and respective YaST module - examples of common scenarios (LAMP, authentication against LDAP/Kerberos, firewall settings, ...) and how to migrate them I'd also wonder if such migration guide should be part of main documentation either at https://doc.opensuse.org/ or https://en.opensuse.org/ or if it should get its own place (later we could add how to migrate from Debian/ Ubuntu;-). As translator, I'd also wonder how to translate these things. It could be helpful. AFAIK doc.opensuse.org isn't translatable, wiki is. Or would some language-specific site be generally better? Time is running, we must be quick here. :-)
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In my experience, CentOS has primarily been used as a base for various orchestration workflows, so I would suggest including those as well to the list of scenarios as well, e.g. Ansible controllers and workers, container-based workflows like CI/CD pipelines, etc. A comparison of the defaults and locations for common configurations with those orchestration-heavy use cases in mind would be great advantage when considering a migration. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEss2dENO/PTuA9NTTOdNgxkl4+QMFAl/SJLAACgkQOdNgxkl4 +QPEFA/+Ngg5wB7rwovHBKAPEfQvo5u3dACGl7Uel1SgLlpKflZgPqmEM4OLu7ty vYHMuVHusbb1O2/GVZucAgIxjQZuMkZuYWLgsWJXFSSMOJc3UJrPTh8CzOxxLHDh fSga/0U5rRG6cHpSI99d7d9dpXGN9ajX99GXUc90KwsdiC8XMSxXhtYnB9jTK9/A Z8mlR6IPaq6o7aao5uFxv9dY7RK2VG/qqbF8pEeZTmIa+VLpjHZN5c2o6AN9BJf5 saOlj5WAAmGLeVWe7K+dNkVdDqYOTxp+iHx8vi+nOiOBeYEvlpzbEqMUnrhVdivV vXp3tuV/uOy4BR5Ko+yGf0QBsu2jcNPU6idxszg51HMWAG7WOQPX+xFeIpZXGk5K /CgqMlAuicqjZxiebsOlLW9lqW8rFZyrn4ep/E+aEdsiWCHIpYl2IfvOVC2y26S1 ikOCNnIGXPvkyg5SjrBSs8KvKJb/R2P3M5ZrBkQyZo2pXQUTvqOy2OWVF4bUAuci TL6D0JQUyhgyB1p0NrlBwoNAnQz1W+OXU43WXE5yrIdaPNQ/bnAwX3IV7gwwuS2+ 2iEGCQmo2qCdVflEdNN5FrHq3zRb6VpwGxf5klH1kfhUKIAFDSs6dhNXmJz1rulw Agt6pW6zm/1czlJUEQFDWS+8XFLlCqqNt8+xUR949DWp2A/+KtA= =6tFe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dne čtvrtek 10. prosince 2020 14:37:52 CET, Chris Coutinho napsal(a):
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 13:53 +0100, Vojtěch Zeisek wrote:
Dne čtvrtek 10. prosince 2020 12:17:51 CET, ddemaio napsal(a):
On 12/9/20 11:46 PM, Mark Stopka wrote:
Sorry for "top-posting"... As you may know, CentOS (free clone of RHEL) is changing it's direction from being a RHEL clone to being a test-bed for RHEL N+1 version, the new product is called CentOS Stream, big part of CentOS community is rightfully upset about it and they are looking for alternatives, I was thinking we could capture a significant part of that market if we approach the issue with the right strategy and united, we certainly do have a lot to offer, starting with openSUSE Leap, going thru OBS (which is in my opinion sort of a killer app), all the way to all other more use-case specific "micro projects"... I would like to see if we can put together a team of 5 - 10 people with skills cited below by Stasiek from my original post to project@ only, now let me see how many bounce messages I get from CCing the specific mailing lists :-)
I am wondering if someone here is committed to trying to come up with the strategy on how to go about that, I think it will be essential to produce easy to understand migration guides from CentOS -> openSUSE Leap and stress that CentOS is moving in the exact opposite direction as we are moving with openSUSE Leap and SUSE Linux Enterprise...
I've been giving it some thought. I have come up with a little of a strategy for this, which I started on <https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/migratefromcentos> It still needs some refinement and community input, but for the most part it addresses an immediate vision.
If I imagine myself if I'd have to migrate (for whatever reason), my main worries would be: 1) Different way to do common tasks, especially package management and services (YaST? Any differences in SystemD?). 2) Migration of data and respective settings. Everyone can export- import MySQL DB or so, but what about settings? Does it have same location? Differences? Both can be addressed by good documentation, some examples, etc. We can easily list common services. Basic LAMP or so can be easy, but what about things like LDAP, Kerberos, complex networking, mail server, ...? Could we anyhow facilitate the migration of the data? Like: - describe differences in placement of configuration files (if there are any) - describe differences among configuration files (e.g. are there any differences in e.g. php.ini?) - describe differences among versions (MySQL, ...) and what to be aware of - comparison of Centos-specific and openSUSE-specific commands (e.g. yum/dnf vs. zypper, usage of YaST) - advertise advantages of Btrfs, snapper and respective YaST module - examples of common scenarios (LAMP, authentication against LDAP/Kerberos, firewall settings, ...) and how to migrate them I'd also wonder if such migration guide should be part of main documentation either at https://doc.opensuse.org/ or https:// en.opensuse.org/ or if it should get its own place (later we could add how to migrate from Debian/Ubuntu;-). As translator, I'd also wonder how to translate these things. It could be helpful. AFAIK doc.opensuse.org isn't translatable, wiki is. Or would some language-specific site be generally better? Time is running, we must be quick here. :-)
In my experience, CentOS has primarily been used as a base for various orchestration workflows, so I would suggest including those as well to the list of scenarios as well, e.g. Ansible controllers and workers, container-based workflows like CI/CD pipelines, etc.
Sorry, I haven't use anything like this... Good point. I'm sure there are others scenarios I didn't have in mind. I'd just keep it rather simple, if possible. Structure for easy orientation will be important.
A comparison of the defaults and locations for common configurations with those orchestration-heavy use cases in mind would be great advantage when considering a migration.
I don't know Centos at all... Otherwise I'd be willing to help to create such documentation. At least as proof reader and translator. -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/ Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/
I have not seen mention of this yet, but perhaps it would be useful to start with existing documentation, scripts, etc. about migrating from RedHat Enterprise Linux to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, as that kind of thing would provide a starting point for migrating from CentoS to openSUSE as well, and save time in getting some general, if not specific, bits, and maybe provide a structure for the work. For that matter, documentation going the other wrong way (us to them) may also be useful to review to be sure anything migrated that way is ready to come the right way. Aaron Burgemeister Identity / Security / Linux Consultant
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 2:49 PM Aaron Burgemeister <dajoker@gmail.com> wrote:
I have not seen mention of this yet, but perhaps it would be useful to start with existing documentation, scripts, etc. about migrating from RedHat Enterprise Linux to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, as that kind of thing would provide a starting point for migrating from CentoS to openSUSE as well, and save time in getting some general, if not specific, bits, and maybe provide a structure for the work.
This is indeed a great point indeed, it may reduce the amount of work significantly!
For that matter, documentation going the other wrong way (us to them) may also be useful to review to be sure anything migrated that way is ready to come the right way.
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Dne čtvrtek 10. prosince 2020 14:48:45 CET, Aaron Burgemeister napsal(a):
I have not seen mention of this yet, but perhaps it would be useful to start with existing documentation, scripts, etc. about migrating from RedHat Enterprise Linux to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, as that kind of thing would provide a starting point for migrating from CentoS to openSUSE as well, and save time in getting some general, if not specific, bits, and maybe provide a structure for the work.
I haven't found any such documentation... :-( -- Vojtěch Zeisek https://trapa.cz/ Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux https://www.opensuse.org/
Hi there, a technology list would be a good start. Just came to my mind as opensuse also uses firewalld now, which is the same as centos's choice. Cheers, Bernd Am 10.12.20 um 15:14 schrieb Vojtěch Zeisek:
Dne čtvrtek 10. prosince 2020 14:48:45 CET, Aaron Burgemeister napsal(a):
I have not seen mention of this yet, but perhaps it would be useful to start with existing documentation, scripts, etc. about migrating from RedHat Enterprise Linux to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server, as that kind of thing would provide a starting point for migrating from CentoS to openSUSE as well, and save time in getting some general, if not specific, bits, and maybe provide a structure for the work.
I haven't found any such documentation... :-(
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 9:16 AM Bernd Ritter <commel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there,
a technology list would be a good start. Just came to my mind as opensuse also uses firewalld now, which is the same as centos's choice.
We also have YUM based on DNF like CentOS and Fedora do, and it's pretty trivial to use it instead of Zypper everywhere. That makes it trivial to port over significant automation from RH/Fedora to openSUSE. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
Yes indeed! I would start a wiki page to collect this information and give a CentOS user (we used CentOS 6 back then on corp server) a starting point where to find the differences. But only two entries would a bit too little of information. I've searched the web for guides but not much there either. Is there a brainstorming going on somewhere (perhaps discord, for not spamming the ml too much). Bernd Am 10.12.20 um 15:21 schrieb Neal Gompa:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 9:16 AM Bernd Ritter <commel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there,
a technology list would be a good start. Just came to my mind as opensuse also uses firewalld now, which is the same as centos's choice.
We also have YUM based on DNF like CentOS and Fedora do, and it's pretty trivial to use it instead of Zypper everywhere. That makes it trivial to port over significant automation from RH/Fedora to openSUSE.
On 12/10/20 3:42 PM, Bernd Ritter wrote:
Yes indeed!
I would start a wiki page to collect this information and give a CentOS user (we used CentOS 6 back then on corp server) a starting point where to find the differences. We have a bit of info we already put together at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/migratefromcentos It's an open format to brainstorm, so please add things if you have any ideas
Having some info on the wiki could work as well.
But only two entries would a bit too little of information. I've searched the web for guides but not much there either.
Is there a brainstorming going on somewhere (perhaps discord, for not spamming the ml too much).
Perhaps having a marketing meeting next week would be a good idea. We could see how the list above changes and plan a meeting on discord or meet.o.o. v/r Doug
(resending to NOT just one person) Google found a few links for me. This one is ancient, and not technical much, but has some things to consider briefly: https://www.slideshare.net/NOVL/migrate-from-red-hat-to-suse-linux-enterpris... Slightly more technical, but good idea within: https://www.halolinux.us/migrating-from-redhat-to-suse/info-ejv.html Besides end users, we may want to target vendors too as now may be a good time to have them support things properly, and SUSE has documentation to get them started: https://www.suse.com/partners/isv/porting_and_migration/ SUSE's Unix to Linux migration PDF; this isn't technical,but it has some other good points, e.g. staff training, that might be overlooked by people like me (techies): https://www.suse.com/media/guide/unix_to_linux_migration_in_three_stages_gui... It may even be useful to note that SUSE Manager is made to work with both distributions, which can help with migrations from one to another, not to mention it can be expanded for a company's other software (third-party or in-house) since companies are not likely to just do this all at once with all servers when there are potentially dozens to thousands. Like with a migration from a lesser operating system to Linux, the biggest consideration is probably what is hosted on top, so the more application helps we can find the better; e.g. eDirectory (Novell/NetIQ/Micro Focus) runs on either distribution well, and the steps to do everything are identical other than the need to install a few extra RPMs in the RedHat case, but that's because the vendor designed it for installation on either distribution. Containers (in the Docker or similar sense) should also be easy wins since that's an option here. Since SLES is built with a lot of openSUSE base a lot of things may work without modification, and other things may require little hacks here and there, e.g. modifying /etc/os-release temporarily. Also, is "Machinery" still around? That could be a big help, though I've never tried it on RHEL/CentOS, but the general idea is a good one. Aaron Burgemeister Identity / Security / Linux Consultant
Hi Mark, it seems to me, as if you have some cool ideas. Would you like to join the marketing-discord-channel? We are discussing those things there. I came up with some thoughts about the website myself. So let's see if we can assemble a team and get some stuff done. Greetings! Simon
Hi Simon, On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 1:09 PM Simon Heimbach <s.heimbach@explosive-software.de> wrote:
Hi Mark,
it seems to me, as if you have some cool ideas. Would you like to join the marketing-discord-channel? We are discussing those things there.
Joined, but it seems pretty quiet to me, so maybe I am in the wrong place, anyway I have pinged you a DM on Discord, so we can sort that off-list not to spam everyone! Thx for the info!
I came up with some thoughts about the website myself. So let's see if we can assemble a team and get some stuff done.
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Am Mi., 9. Dez. 2020 um 23:29 Uhr schrieb Mark Stopka <mstopka@opensuse.org>:
Many (CentOS / RHEL) users are upset about this as this will / may have impact on their products and / or services, I see it as an opportunity to capture some of the CentOS market-share and for SUSE perhaps even some RHEL market share...
You may try, but there will probably be a Rocky Linux: https://rockylinux.org/ And maybe someone resurrects Scientific. :-) And of course there's Oracle Linux. Best Martin
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