[opensuse-project] Voting blank or "none of the above" ?
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2011-04-26 08:24, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
It seems to be to be a little too late to bring this up?
Not for the next vote.
True, but is there really much point in a blank "protest" vote? Other than satisfying the need of the protester, what will it do? Still, I guess there's no harm done in adding a "None of the above" option to future votes. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 15:27:20 Per Jessen wrote:
True, but is there really much point in a blank "protest" vote?
A high number of "none of the above" votes tells you something was wrong with the alternatives to vote for. Uwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-26 15:40, Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 15:27:20 Per Jessen wrote:
True, but is there really much point in a blank "protest" vote?
A high number of "none of the above" votes tells you something was wrong with the alternatives to vote for.
Exactly. It is an option that should be counted, for exactness and fairness. And, please, do not think I'm asking to repeat this vote; I'm talking of the next vote on whatever. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk22z+8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UgqgCglgAi5TYVUCoS0Di68YQlVkyR nNMAnjzjSB4cbIqUrrHiCt4qNPyTCRlV =VW3A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-04-26 15:40, Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 15:27:20 Per Jessen wrote:
True, but is there really much point in a blank "protest" vote?
A high number of "none of the above" votes tells you something was wrong with the alternatives to vote for.
Exactly.
I _knew_ you were going to say that, but that is impossible in the context of the openSUSE project, IMHO. We are the only ones who decide what to vote for, therefore if the options are wrong, something went wrong earlier in the process. If a blank option is necessary, it shows that the project has a problem, and that is not solved by protesting with a blank vote. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 16:11:29 Per Jessen wrote:
We are the only ones who decide what to vote for, therefore if the options are wrong, something went wrong earlier in the process. If a blank option is necessary, it shows that the project has a problem, and that is not solved by protesting with a blank vote.
It isn't solved, but it's an indicator. Uwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 16:11:29 Per Jessen wrote:
We are the only ones who decide what to vote for, therefore if the options are wrong, something went wrong earlier in the process. If a blank option is necessary, it shows that the project has a problem, and that is not solved by protesting with a blank vote.
It isn't solved, but it's an indicator.
Okay, what I meant to say was - if someone is not happy with a voting process, don't wait till the end to file a protest vote, do it before the voting starts. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Apr 26, 11 16:27:25 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 16:11:29 Per Jessen wrote:
We are the only ones who decide what to vote for, therefore if the options are wrong, something went wrong earlier in the process. If a blank option is necessary, it shows that the project has a problem, and that is not solved by protesting with a blank vote.
It isn't solved, but it's an indicator.
Okay, what I meant to say was - if someone is not happy with a voting process, don't wait till the end to file a protest vote, do it before the voting starts.
Which requires that some voter really understands that the options are wrong and not his personal preferences are unusual. A blank text entry field 'none of the above, other: [___________]' might help. Ususally people are lazy and dont type into that field. But if surprisingly many people do, it might make sense to evaluate the freetext, and see if there is a pattern. That again, would not help with the current vote, but maybe with the next. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 16:27:25 Per Jessen wrote:
Okay, what I meant to say was - if someone is not happy with a voting process, don't wait till the end to file a protest vote, do it before the voting starts.
- Discussion happens during non-optimal periods (summer vacations...) - Discussion ends before people can form an opinion - Voters change their opinion during the voting period Adding a "none of the above" option won't harm. In an ideal world, nobody will choose it anyways :-) Uwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
On Tuesday 26 April 2011 16:27:25 Per Jessen wrote:
Okay, what I meant to say was - if someone is not happy with a voting process, don't wait till the end to file a protest vote, do it before the voting starts.
- Discussion happens during non-optimal periods (summer vacations...) - Discussion ends before people can form an opinion - Voters change their opinion during the voting period
Adding a "none of the above" option won't harm. In an ideal world, nobody will choose it anyways :-)
Yeah, let's add it (if we remember for the next vote). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-26 16:54, Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
Adding a "none of the above" option won't harm. In an ideal world, nobody will choose it anyways :-)
Where I live, it is a mandatory option in the political elections or polls. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk224M8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VmLACcD7MQxeTfxQV+olO0WOpP2kqg aqcAnAsuZEBLlhktneq03lJ68qnTMfty =MEx4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2011-04-26 16:54, Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
Adding a "none of the above" option won't harm. In an ideal world, nobody will choose it anyways :-)
Where I live, it is a mandatory option in the political elections or polls.
I did want to mention that earlier - blank, invalid and "none-of-the-above" votes have a genuine role in political elections, but personally I don't see much use for them in our project. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-26 17:18, Per Jessen wrote:
elections, but personally I don't see much use for them in our project.
Completeness. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk225fYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VkagCfbwuBW9yA/KGemHnI+bPvKAlF GSMAnjpvMnxDhGksPoFNu7pGTGogR9E8 =I0TY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-04-26 16:11, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I _knew_ you were going to say that, but that is impossible in the context of the openSUSE project, IMHO. We are the only ones who decide what to vote for, therefore if the options are wrong, something went wrong earlier in the process. If a blank option is necessary, it shows that the project has a problem, and that is not solved by protesting with a blank vote.
The "population" for the first vote was not the same as for the second vote. A blank vote doesn't necessarily mean a protest, just that so many or so few people didn't agree with the offered options, but they did bother to vote. It is also not the same to have a 60% of abstention than a 60% of blank votes. How to interpret a blank vote is difficult. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk224a8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UCrQCfTKD0osub9aNlUClGJNAYnOSu NkwAoJZh6uJcgGlqnNg/BebuOoQ3nT1g =qNdX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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