On Feb 7, 2008 4:56 PM, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:

Em Quinta, 7 de Fevereiro de 2008, o Francis Giannaros escreveu:

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The second might be preferred since the first might not directly say why they have the cloak, or what specifically they're involved in. The first method is a lot less work, and you might avoid putting people into categories when they in reality overlap.

Yes, I agree with you. There are people involved in various areas, and restrict them to @opensuse/<cat>/<nickname> would lack the other areas.

I think @opensuse/contributor would be better, because it distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).

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Another issue: should @opensuse/user/<nick> be handed out to anyone who's asked for it and has signed the guiding principles? The hope is to eventually handle all IRC cloaks (and email addresses) through the user directory in the future.

You've 100% my support.

While some may think it's not useful, I truly believe as giving openSUSE clocks to users will show some self-recognition, support, and encourage those users to take an active part on the community itself.

Basically (ordered by status/priority):

* @opensuse/developer/<nickname> (Novell employees) * @opensuse/contributor/<nickname> (openSUSE contributors)

I really dislike this distinction because we should be aiming to remove Novell/Community distinctions in the community (as in, we're all part of the openSUSE project), and that there are people in the community who are developers (even in the strictest sense: contributing code and packaging). That's why I personally think one cloak for all members would be more ideal. Regards, -- Francis Giannaros http://francis.giannaros.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 07/02/2008, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:

distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).

Why do you think only Novell employees can be developers? -- Benjamin Weber --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Feb 7, 2008 8:08 PM, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:

Em Quinta, 7 de Fevereiro de 2008, o Benji Weber escreveu:

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On 07/02/2008, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:

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distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).

Why do you think only Novell employees can be developers?

I don't think *only* Novell employees can be developers. What I do think is that 'developer' could be a title given to those who develop openSUSE full-time, which is what Novell employees are.

However, I must admit that 'developer' isn't properly the best category to put them in, though I didn't find a better one at that time - the reason why I proposed use @opensuse/developer.

Ah! Suggestion: @opensuse/core/<nickname> ?

Forgive me to be insisting on this but I really would like to see in action @opensuse/<(novell-employees-or-so)>, @opensuse/contributor, and @opensuse/user openSUSE cloaks.

I don't see the reason why to distinguish between openSUSE "members" and Novell employed personal. openSUSE should aim to be a community project not a Novell project. Nothing wrong with being a Novell project but I don't think openSUSE should be that. Even if Novell got the ball rolling. My hope is that this would be a great project even if Novell took a step back. Today this would not work but maybe some day in the future. Warm Regards, Claes Backstrom

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Carlos Gonçalves wrote:

I think @opensuse/contributor would be better, because it distinguishes /user, /board, and /developer (where I think /developer should only be used by Novell employees).

This is pretty much how we do *not* want to see the future of openSUSE I'm afraid. It is our explicit goal to further an openSUSE user *and* developer community at large and diminish the difference between those on Novell's payroll and those that are not as much as possible. Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Inbound Product Mgmt T +49(911)74053-0 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) openSUSE/SUSE Linux Enterprise F +49(911)74053-483 GF: Markus Rex