[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-factory] The release notes/product highlights for 12.1
On 10/25/2011 10:47 AM, Claudio Freire wrote:
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Will Stephenson
wrote: Finally, if I may suggest a more useful way to please the diehards while making openSUSE unique: just port KDE 3 kdesktop and kicker to KDE 4, provide it as an alternate KDE 4 desktop shell in KDE:Extra.
+1
I think all this effort would be better spent finalizing the missing functionality of KDE4 apps.
Like kaffeine, I miss kaffeine3, which was complete, a decent media player. Kaffeine4 doesn't even have a way to switch subtitles, which is ridiculous.
All this effort in KDE3 would be better spent in trying to fill those huge gaps in KDE4 functionality, IMO.
Remember, this is a community and a community project, not a company. Thus, one should be careful about telling people wher they should spend their time and effort. Ilya has decided to maintain KDE3, which I am certain has benefits for some users of openSUSE. Thanks for the effort Ilya. The question we should be discussing here is not how people spent the time they volunteer to the project, rather we should discuss whether KDE3 should be part of the main release and what to say about it in the release notes. IMHO KDE3 should not be part of the main release, for reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread, but should be promoted in the release notes in a "Community" section thereof. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Robert Schweikert
Remember, this is a community and a community project, not a company. Thus, one should be careful about telling people wher they should spend their time and effort. Ilya has decided to maintain KDE3, which I am certain has benefits for some users of openSUSE.
I know how it works, I do administer an OS project. I also know people need steering to more productive efforts sometimes.
Thanks for the effort Ilya.
But don't get me wrong, all those being able to install kde3 apps not present in kde4 now thanks to Ilya's efforts will be thankful, me included. Still, it would be important to try and close the functionality gap between 3 and 4. Because it's the way of progress.
The question we should be discussing here is not how people spent the time they volunteer to the project, rather we should discuss whether KDE3 should be part of the main release and what to say about it in the release notes.
IMHO KDE3 should not be part of the main release, for reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread, but should be promoted in the release notes in a "Community" section thereof.
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Am 25.10.2011 17:43, schrieb Robert Schweikert:
IMHO KDE3 should not be part of the main release, for reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread, but should be promoted in the release notes in a "Community" section thereof.
community section sound good to me. Jos, others, any objections? --kdl -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Robert Schweikert wrote:
IMHO KDE3 should not be part of the main release, for reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread, but should be promoted in the release notes in a "Community" section thereof.
Stuff that is not in Factory/distro repo should not be mentioned in the release notes IMO. We should not actively encourage Joe Average to install stuff from 3rd party repos. Instead developers are encouraged to submit to Factory. That way we can ensure the packages get reviewed on checkin, ie make sure at least our basic packaging rules are adhered to and packaging checks are run. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, October 25, 2011 19:16:22 Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 25.10.2011 17:43, schrieb Robert Schweikert:
IMHO KDE3 should not be part of the main release, for reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread, but should be promoted in the release notes in a "Community" section thereof.
community section sound good to me. Jos, others, any objections?
Do you really want to advertise a proven insecure and hardly maintained and not suppported product that has been superseeded for years? I clearly would not. The people who really, really want KDE3 will know how to find it. Just as they know how to play the vocal minority. -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am 27.10.2011 16:33, schrieb Sebastian Kügler:
On Tuesday, October 25, 2011 19:16:22 Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 25.10.2011 17:43, schrieb Robert Schweikert:
IMHO KDE3 should not be part of the main release, for reasons I mentioned earlier in this thread, but should be promoted in the release notes in a "Community" section thereof.
community section sound good to me. Jos, others, any objections? Do you really want to advertise a proven insecure and hardly maintained and not suppported product that has been superseeded for years?
I clearly would not. The people who really, really want KDE3 will know how to find it. Just as they know how to play the vocal minority.
Apart from I´m not the one who decide such things, I would say, if people want it, we should do it. There´s the OBS, so it doesn´t matter in the end, if we doesn´t ship it, because Ilya does build it anyway. -- -o) Kim Leyendecker /\\ openSUSE Ambassador, openSUSE Wiki Team DE _\_v http://www.opensuse.org - Linux for open minds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
participants (5)
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Claudio Freire
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Kim Leyendecker
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Ludwig Nussel
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Robert Schweikert
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Sebastian Kügler