Re: Why separate foundation?
Od: marekstopka@gmail.com Odesláno: 9. ledna 2021 14:41 Komu: rbrown@suse.de Kopie: project@lists.opensuse.org; board@opensuse.org Předmět: Re: Why separate foundation? <snip>
On 2021-01-09 14:17, Mark Stopka wrote:
Considering I plan to on-board many new members based on at this time undisclosed value-proposition, you may even call it an hostile takeover attempt, since you seem to like these corporate terms so much. And I think the best way to on-board such new contributors is if my company sponsors openSUSE Foundation, which will sign MoU with the local university, as my company that has nothing to do with openSUSE at this point, it's called making the contributions tax-deductible.
<snip>
Yes, all will be disclosed in due time, as something has been disclosed in here, it takes time Richard to make sure NDAs are null and void at this point, legal departments take my requests very seriously. I will tell you all about the proposal of a strategic investor to buy part of SUSE from EQT as soon as that NDA is lifted, if such a thing is to take place.
* Gryffus
Long EN version: You, sir, do not have a place in "our" community. Your behaviour and proposed/advertised future steps may be viewed as an attempt to restrain openSUSE "spirit of freedom" and may lead to demotivating contributors and leaving to other distro, forking of openSUSE, ruining the ongoing "Closing The Leap Gap" effort and who knows what else. I won't be surprised if even SUSE would be hurted just by this thread. For myself i want to state that solely from your behaviour here on ML, i already know that i won't support and even respect any of your future proposals. I do not like people like you, you seem arrogant to me and i do not see such arrogant behaviour from people who are _twice_ as long in openSUSE community as you and _twice_ as old as you.
you sould be very careful with being specific and direct. I am under censorship for a much, much less volitle and non-specific post. note: as I am currently under censorship, this message may spend a long time waiting for a time convenient for the censor to review. I have cc'd you. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
Od: paka@opensuse.org
Odesláno: 9. ledna 2021 23:25
Komu: project@lists.opensuse.org; board@opensuse.org
Kopie: gryffus@hkfree.org
Předmět: Re: Why separate foundation?
* Gryffus
Long EN version: You, sir, do not have a place in "our" community. Your behaviour and proposed/advertised future steps may be viewed as an attempt to restrain openSUSE "spirit of freedom" and may lead to demotivating contributors and leaving to other distro, forking of openSUSE, ruining the ongoing "Closing The Leap Gap" effort and who knows what else. I won't be surprised if even SUSE would be hurted just by this thread. For myself i want to state that solely from your behaviour here on ML, i already know that i won't support and even respect any of your future proposals. I do not like people like you, you seem arrogant to me and i do not see such arrogant behaviour from people who are _twice_ as long in openSUSE community as you and _twice_ as old as you.
you sould be very careful with being specific and direct. I am under censorship for a much, much less volitle and non-specific post.
note: as I am currently under censorship, this message may spend a long time waiting for a time convenient for the censor to review. I have cc'd you.
Yes, i stated that i may regret sending that message and i already do, not for the meaning of it, but for the form. I normally do not take so emotionally-provoked actions. I am sorry for the form and if this will get me under censorship, i think i can live with that, this is the first time i have let myself expressed so affected and i don't think it will ever repeat. But hey, openSUSE is personal for me and it has suffered enough already for the last decade IMO. -- Regards, Gfs (Lukáš Krejza) Sent from BlackBerry smartphone – most secure mobile device
On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 9:25 PM Gryffus
Od: marekstopka@gmail.com Odesláno: 9. ledna 2021 14:41 Komu: rbrown@suse.de Kopie: project@lists.opensuse.org; board@opensuse.org Předmět: Re: Why separate foundation?
<snip>
On 2021-01-09 14:17, Mark Stopka wrote:
Considering I plan to on-board many new members based on at this time undisclosed value-proposition, you may even call it an hostile takeover attempt, since you seem to like these corporate terms so much. And I think the best way to on-board such new contributors is if my company sponsors openSUSE Foundation, which will sign MoU with the local university, as my company that has nothing to do with openSUSE at this point, it's called making the contributions tax-deductible.
<snip>
Yes, all will be disclosed in due time, as something has been disclosed in here, it takes time Richard to make sure NDAs are null and void at this point, legal departments take my requests very seriously. I will tell you all about the proposal of a strategic investor to buy part of SUSE from EQT as soon as that NDA is lifted, if such a thing is to take place.
Short, czech version: Vy, pane, jste debil.
Thanks, calling someone idiot is certainly a good way to start any conversation ;-)
Long EN version: You, sir, do not have a place in "our" community.
Who gave you the moral right to decide who have and don't have place in "our" community, until it is "your community"?
Your behaviour and proposed/advertised future steps may be viewed as an attempt to restrain openSUSE "spirit of freedom"
Implying that hiring student interns as maintainers is a bad thing, or that people who also get paid to work on openSUSE do not deserve to be members even if they fill all the criteria? In the spirit of freedom I can pay as many contributors as I wish for working on projects I wish them to work on, no?
and may lead to demotivating contributors and leaving to other distro, forking of openSUSE, ruining the ongoing "Closing The Leap Gap" effort and who knows what else.
Ruining the effort how?
For myself i want to state that solely from your behaviour here on ML, i already know that i won't support and even respect any of your future proposals.
Thanks for being open-minded.
I won't be surprised if even SUSE would be hurted just by this thread. I do not like people like you, you seem arrogant to me and i do not see such arrogant behaviour from people who are _twice_ as long in openSUSE community as you and _twice_ as old as you.
I doubt anyone here is twice as old as I am.
Maybe try again with a little more politeness, respect and _humility_?
Regards, Gfs (Lukáš Krejza)
Sent from BlackBerry smartphone – most secure mobile device
Od: marekstopka@gmail.com Odesláno: 10. ledna 2021 1:05 Komu: gryffus@hkfree.org Kopie: rbrown@suse.de; project@lists.opensuse.org Předmět: Re: Why separate foundation? <snip>
Thanks, calling someone idiot is certainly a good way to start any conversation ;-)
Actually, it is a way to prevent starting any conversion with someone. Which is exactly my point. You did not came here to conversate. Not even to propose, but to force _your_ views. I even sense blackmail from that. That is totally _unacceptable_ in any free community. <long snip>
Maybe try again with a little more politeness, respect and _humility_? <
With this message i am ending my contributions to this thread. No more arguments needed regarding my reply to you. Regards, Gfs (Lukáš Krejza) Sent from BlackBerry smartphone – most secure mobile device
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 1:48 AM Gryffus
Od: marekstopka@gmail.com Odesláno: 10. ledna 2021 1:05 Komu: gryffus@hkfree.org Kopie: rbrown@suse.de; project@lists.opensuse.org Předmět: Re: Why separate foundation?
<snip>
Thanks, calling someone idiot is certainly a good way to start any conversation ;-)
Actually, it is a way to prevent starting any conversion with someone. Which is exactly my point. You did not came here to conversate. Not even to propose, but to force _your_ views. I even sense blackmail from that. That is totally _unacceptable_ in any free community.
I wish I had a mind-reading machine too, can I borrow yours?
<long snip>
Maybe try again with a little more politeness, respect and _humility_? <
With this message i am ending my contributions to this thread. No more arguments needed regarding my reply to you.
There were 0 arguments to begin with, first open hate speech in Czech and then covered one in English, I would hardly call that an argument.
Regards, Gfs (Lukáš Krejza)
Sent from BlackBerry smartphone – most secure mobile device
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