Let me first take this opportunity to congratulate everyone elected to
the board, and offer my sincere thanks to every one of you who ran for
the positions. Thanks also goes out to the election officials who made
the process a great success.
Job well done by the retiring members of the current board, thanks to
A few responses to the current thread inline...
On Sun, 2018-04-29 at 12:13 +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 29 April 2018 at 11:10, Administrator
Although I’m not a voting member bu as along time
use and supporter
of (open)SuSE, and in the interests of diversity, could I ask for a
breakdown of the voting membership and board by gender and racial
origin. If the results are as I suspect, what are board’s plans
for addressing this?
We now have a Board that is made up of 33% females and 66% non-native
english speakers. This suggests that the democratic approach of the
openSUSE is not doing a terrible job of ensuring the Board is diverse
by at least some measurements.
But regardless I'd like to point to a problem caused when we start
looking at people through the lens of "what" they are, rather than
"who" they are
I’d like to congratulate Ana for joining the
You chose to congratulate Ana (a female from Spain) but seem to have
chosen to neglect congratulating Gertjan (an old male from the
Netherlands) and Simon (a male from Australia)
If I apply the same logic and inference as you aim towards the
with your questions, it is easy to conclude that you may hold
prejudicial feelings against men, or people of Dutch and Australian
origin, or maybe old people.
This would be incongruent with the Guiding Principles which this
project operates under, which clearly states "We don't tolerate
With all due respect, this is a non sequitur. The idea of increasing
female membership in the board, and indeed in the project, is to
correct a well-documented historical bias that has existed, and
continues to exist, against one gender throughout disciplines;
including very strongly in the technological fields. One can't say the
same -- at least as far as I am aware of -- about persistent biases
against Dutch or Australian people, etc. No matter what you think about
the question raised by OP, speaking about the gender divide in these
terms trivialises a real problem.
I could say the same thing in favour of other communities who have been
historically prejudiced against, without being held to your imaginary
standard of "social discrimination".
Projects engaged in Outreachy , for example (where openSUSE is
notably absent, but that's another topic for another day) are not
engaging in "social discrimination".
I think all 3 candidates elected in this election
congratulations, regardless of what they are.
They are now part of an openSUSE Board who are responsible for
representing all of the openSUSE community, and all races, genders,
and other identifying metrics contained therein.
Yes, I agree. Nonetheless...
You state you are "along time use and
supporter", and yet I can find
no evidence that you congratulated Sarah for her election to the
a year ago, despite your active involvement in the election
discussions at that time.
Assuming you chose to congratulate Ana and neglect Gertjan and Simon
for what they are, would it not be right to also assume you chose not
to congratulate Sarah because of what she is?
Doesn't that imply that you have a problem with German women, or
perhaps all Germans?
...OP chooses to cheer for one of the elected board members a little
bit more; does that necessitate all this reaction, really?
Do you perhaps see how this rabbit hole leads nowhere
Only if you shoot right past the point.
It's important that the openSUSE Project is a free
and open Project
for anyone to contribute to.
I promise, as part of the openSUSE Board responsible for such
complaints, to tirelessly pursue and prosecute any complaint that the
Project is failing in that goal.
We do not need to force our users or contributors to share their
personal racial or gender identity information to accomplish that. We
have no right to any data which we do not need in order to operate as
a Free/Open Source Community.
In fact I personally think it's very important that our users and
contributors have the option to not share such sensitive information
Agree with this; but perhaps we can as a project do affirmatively more
to be welcoming of under represented communities, without having
members share their DNA and whatnot.
I greatly appreciate the fact that we have
contributors who feel able
to be part of this project entirely under an identity of their
choosing, perhaps one which is significantly different from the
identity they hold when interacting with other communities or legal
I strongly feel that such an approach is the true way to fostering
diversity within openSUSE, which is a worthwhile goal, long held as
part of our projects Guiding Principles.
It's one thing having a worthwhile goal, doing something worthwhile
toward achieving said goal is altogether different. I, for one, would
love to see the question of diversity at least discussed in the project
without it being trivialised and glossed over like this.
Mon 30 Apr 00:55:43 CEST 2018
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