Hi, we (the YaST team) plan to do some changes to the installer, and one of the intentions is to more integrate the live installer with the regular one, which could resolve the issue you refer to. I don't think that we can change this properly for openSUSE 13.1, however, we definitely can for 13.2 and beyond. If you are interested in helping, contact us on yast-devel@opensuse.org, we will appreciate your (or any other) help. Jiri On 08/30/2013 12:28 PM, Efstathios Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) wrote:

Hello lizards,

This might not be the right place to send this mail, but since I'm not subscribed to factory list (and I don't plan to suscribe), I would like to send here this idea. Please share it with factory or anyone else.

For the past 3 releases we have language installation problem. If someone choose to install openSUSE, for example in Greek, the result will be half Greek and half English (picture: blue is in Greek and other is in English [1]). Although many people reported this bug to bugzilla [2] and [3], nothing changed. openSUSE 11.4 was the last release that worked fine (even from the very first screen by pressing F2 button).

A proposal would be to change the fist screen of YaST installation, where it prompts for language. Change it to ONLY English. When everything is set, I see 2 solutions.

1. PCLinuxOS has an icon on the desktop (adlocale) that prompts you to install your language settings. I guess it's an easy script. 2. GNOME has GNOME initial setup [4]. You can also read an article about it [5]. The idea is that after the installation, you get a prompt to setup online accounts, timezone, new user account, small tour about GNOME etc. By the way, although it says that we'll see it on GNOME 3.8, I didn't see it on Milestone 4.

The language installation can be done via YaST after installation (that's the solution we propose here). But it's better to be done automatically after installation.

Something should be done about it since it's major issue to promote openSUSE. Marketing cannot cover end users. End users also don't read release notes. Many of my friends (that I helped to install openSUSE), they turned it to Linux Mint or Ubuntu (I guess for the simplicity they provide). Fedora and Ubuntu work fine with the language thing. Please do something about it. Thanks for reading. Stathis

[1] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20413076/opensuse/12.3/bugs/language.jpg [2] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=807013 [3] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683292 [4] https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/InitialSetup [5] http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-initial-setup-and-welcome-tour-how-it-works/

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Hi, we (the YaST team) plan to do some changes to the installer, and one of the intentions is to more integrate the live installer with the regular one, which could resolve the issue you refer to. I don't think that we can change this properly for openSUSE 13.1, however, we definitely can for 13.2 and beyond. If you are interested in helping, contact us on yast-devel@opensuse.org, we will appreciate your (or any other) help. Jiri On 08/30/2013 12:28 PM, Efstathios Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr) wrote:

Hello lizards,

This might not be the right place to send this mail, but since I'm not subscribed to factory list (and I don't plan to suscribe), I would like to send here this idea. Please share it with factory or anyone else.

For the past 3 releases we have language installation problem. If someone choose to install openSUSE, for example in Greek, the result will be half Greek and half English (picture: blue is in Greek and other is in English [1]). Although many people reported this bug to bugzilla [2] and [3], nothing changed. openSUSE 11.4 was the last release that worked fine (even from the very first screen by pressing F2 button).

A proposal would be to change the fist screen of YaST installation, where it prompts for language. Change it to ONLY English. When everything is set, I see 2 solutions.

1. PCLinuxOS has an icon on the desktop (adlocale) that prompts you to install your language settings. I guess it's an easy script. 2. GNOME has GNOME initial setup [4]. You can also read an article about it [5]. The idea is that after the installation, you get a prompt to setup online accounts, timezone, new user account, small tour about GNOME etc. By the way, although it says that we'll see it on GNOME 3.8, I didn't see it on Milestone 4.

The language installation can be done via YaST after installation (that's the solution we propose here). But it's better to be done automatically after installation.

Something should be done about it since it's major issue to promote openSUSE. Marketing cannot cover end users. End users also don't read release notes. Many of my friends (that I helped to install openSUSE), they turned it to Linux Mint or Ubuntu (I guess for the simplicity they provide). Fedora and Ubuntu work fine with the language thing. Please do something about it. Thanks for reading. Stathis

[1] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20413076/opensuse/12.3/bugs/language.jpg [2] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=807013 [3] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=683292 [4] https://wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/InitialSetup [5] http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-initial-setup-and-welcome-tour-how-it-works/

-- Regards, Jiri Srain Project Manager --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: jsrain@suse.com Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 084 659 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 084 001 Czech Republic http://www.suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org