[opensuse-project] packaging rules
Hi All, in the last few days we had a small flood, a trickle compared with Noah's, on the mailing list about some package distributing religious content. The discussion got hijacked by personal views totally ignoring the fact that we already have guidelines for these situations... http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Legal Some examples of content which are not permissible: ..... Religious texts ..... We shall decide what we should do. 1. Scrap the rule or 2. Apply the rule. Alin -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net ______________________________________________________________________
On 10/09/11 21:59, Alin Marin Elena wrote:
Hi All,
in the last few days we had a small flood, a trickle compared with Noah's, on the mailing list about some package distributing religious content. The discussion got hijacked by personal views totally ignoring the fact that we already have guidelines for these situations...
A good pickup here.
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Legal
Some examples of content which are not permissible: ..... Religious texts
BUT, and "here is the rub", *is* it a "religious text" ?
.....
We shall decide
"We shall decide"....? Who exactly is "we"? :-)
what we should do. 1. Scrap the rule or 2. Apply the rule.
Alin
I am still waiting for an answer to my question about what would happen if someone wanted to put software in Factory which helped people who hold a view that the holocaust did not happen. I understand that my question has no direct reference to "the bible" or "informing Christians" (or whatever) but nevertheless I consider this to be a legitimate question to be asked as part of this discussion. BC -- Any experiment in life will be at your own experience. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
I am still waiting for an answer to my question about what would happen if someone wanted to put software in Factory which helped people who hold a view that the holocaust did not happen.
I understand that my question has no direct reference to "the bible" or "informing Christians" (or whatever) but nevertheless I consider this to be a legitimate question to be asked as part of this discussion.
I would personally classify it as a political text and it should not be permitted. I think the only content which should be part of the OS distribution is content directly related to the distribution and its production, maintenance, distribution, promotion, use etc. If people choose to add content to the package then that's their prerogative. I think anything else is going to cause to repeatedly get into these discussions, with the theologians / philosophers / nit-pickers interpreting and reinterpreting the "rules". It's amusing for a while, but wastes our time collectively (unless we want to enjoy these debates). David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
My apologies, that should have read: If people choose to add content to the package _on their computer_ then that's their prerogative. David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
This thread is for a discussion on a rule on content of packages and not on content per se... please stay on subject. for your opinions on religion please use your private parties if you have co*ones. If we, the community, decide the rule stands some packages will have to go... if the rule goes... some new packages shall be welcomed... in our education package... just keep in mind that tolerance to intolerance is not a sign of being wise... it means just you are an idiot... Alin ***to NM... man you smoke something strong... please let us know what it is so we can enjoy it too ***at the moment there are different versions of the bible, full text offered by sword- related project -- see the sword thread for specifics... and they, at the moment, break the rule.. we, the community, established. -- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net ______________________________________________________________________
Well, you are in the way of loosing at least one contributor to other
less fundamentalist distribution. I'm not tagging along with people
who want to enforce another Kristallnacht.
Good luck with the "Kristallnacht methodology", thats not for me.
NM
2011/9/10 Alin Marin Elena
Hi All,
in the last few days we had a small flood, a trickle compared with Noah's, on the mailing list about some package distributing religious content. The discussion got hijacked by personal views totally ignoring the fact that we already have guidelines for these situations...
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Legal
Some examples of content which are not permissible: ..... Religious texts .....
We shall decide what we should do. 1. Scrap the rule or 2. Apply the rule.
Alin
-- Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath
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On 10.09.2011 Alin wrote:
Hi All,
in the last few days we had a small flood, a trickle compared with Noah's, on the mailing list about some package distributing religious content. The discussion got hijacked by personal views totally ignoring the fact that we already have guidelines for these situations...
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Legal
Some examples of content which are not permissible: ..... Religious texts .....
We shall decide what we should do. 1. Scrap the rule
This is something you can't discuss over a mailing list as the last week has clearly shown. It is something for a face to face meeting like the openSUSE conference. If anyone thinks the rules need changing, OK, let's discuss it here or at another conference which has a significant number of people attending.
or 2. Apply the rule.
So that's right now the way to go, I'd say. But it's the call of the team maintaining the repository (and after them the call of the release team if they accept the package or not). In the end - these 'rules' aren't black and white (but more like guidelines) and we could modify the text slightly (as has been proposed) and make an exception.
Alin
Meanwhile this discussion has also shown we have a problem with people behaving what I can only call childish. Apologies to all for the behavior of some here. Tomorrow we'll have a BOF at the conference to discuss having some moderation on this list. I don't think these things have to be brought to the openSUSE Board. After all, if kids mis-behave, you don't go to the police, you give them a (verbal) slap on the wrist. It's how they learn. Cheers, Jos
On 12.09.2011 Jos wrote:
On 10.09.2011 Alin wrote:
Hi All,
in the last few days we had a small flood, a trickle compared with Noah's, on the mailing list about some package distributing religious content. The discussion got hijacked by personal views totally ignoring the fact that we already have guidelines for these situations...
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Legal
Some examples of content which are not permissible: ..... Religious texts .....
We shall decide what we should do. 1. Scrap the rule
This is something you can't discuss over a mailing list as the last week has clearly shown. It is something for a face to face meeting like the openSUSE conference. If anyone thinks the rules need changing, OK, let's discuss it here or at another conference which has a significant number of people attending.
or 2. Apply the rule.
So that's right now the way to go, I'd say. But it's the call of the team maintaining the repository (and after them the call of the release team if they accept the package or not). In the end - these 'rules' aren't black and white (but more like guidelines) and we could modify the text slightly (as has been proposed) and make an exception.
Note that I didn't mean this as an invitation for further bikeshedding. Please just discus this with the relevant people (the team) on IRC or (even better) at oSC11 and just decide... This discussion on the list should stop as it's going nowhere.
Alin
Meanwhile this discussion has also shown we have a problem with people behaving what I can only call childish. Apologies to all for the behavior of some here. Tomorrow we'll have a BOF at the conference to discuss having some moderation on this list.
I don't think these things have to be brought to the openSUSE Board. After all, if kids mis-behave, you don't go to the police, you give them a (verbal) slap on the wrist. It's how they learn.
Cheers, Jos
Meanwhile this discussion has also shown we have a problem with people behaving what I can only call childish. Apologies to all for the behavior of some here. Tomorrow we'll have a BOF at the conference to discuss having some moderation on this list.
I don't think these things have to be brought to the openSUSE Board. After all, if kids mis-behave, you don't go to the police, you give them a (verbal) slap on the wrist. It's how they learn.
I would have thought that moderation on the list is overkill and penalises the many well behaved people because of a few miscreants. These issues are infrequent on the OS lists, and (usually) resolved in the discussion. Some result in an apology or similar resolution, some result in silence on one side or the other. A few result in tantrums and so to a higher arbiter. The ones which result in silence are the most worrying ... we are, after all, supposed to be a community. David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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