16 Dec
2013
16 Dec
'13
12:12 p.m.
Of course we still see people getting this wrong on a regular basis,
but googling for "SUSE capitalization" doesn't reveal anything
helpful. IMHO we need a wiki page covering the One Absolute Truth,
and also a bit of the history behind it. I found this thread from
2005:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2005-08/msg00377.html
but it didn't provide the full story.
Additionally,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuSE
are (somewhat depressingly) two entirely different articles, neither
of which gives any real detail over the renaming from SuSE to SUSE.
Shouldn't there be a page
https://en.opensuse.org/Capitalization
or something?
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16 Dec
12:20 p.m.
http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Style#openSUSE_spelling
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2:31 p.m.
Mon Dec 16 2013 11:12:14, Adam Spiers wrote:
Of course we still see people getting this wrong on a
regular basis,
but googling for "SUSE capitalization" doesn't reveal anything
helpful. IMHO we need a wiki page covering the One Absolute Truth,
and also a bit of the history behind it. I found this thread from
2005:
Seriously? Is _this_ what prevents the distribution from being the
greatest and most popular? After my experience with 13.1, I hardly think
so...
Michal Kubecek
(Yes, I'm one of the heretics.)
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17 Dec
17 Dec
6:13 a.m.
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 14:31:26 +0100
Michal Kubecek <mkubecek(a)suse.cz> wrote:
Seriously? Is _this_ what prevents the distribution
from being the
greatest and most popular? After my experience with 13.1, I hardly
think so...
You are right, but Adam's question is right on the point if you look at
a bigger picture. We are missing many easy to guess links within
opensuse.org infrastructure, something like:
http://<organizational_unit>.opensuse.org/<applicable_high_level_topic>
where
<organizational unit> (OU) is
* build
* wikies => <language_code>
* software
* download
* doc
* www
*lists
etc, from servers in opensuse.org domain
<applicable_high_level_topic> is
* Capitalization (Spelling)
* Installation
* Download
* Community
etc, from applicable vocabulary for a specific OU.
IMHO, it is time to consult Wikipedia about this kind of accessibility
problems. They hit almost all things that we can encounter long before
us, so there is no need to reinvent the wheel.
BTW, looking for an answer to Adam's question can be something that
non-developers and non-factory guys can take on, so it is good one in
this respect too.
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4:12 p.m.
Michal Kubecek (mkubecek(a)suse.cz) wrote:
Mon Dec 16 2013 11:12:14, Adam Spiers wrote:
Yes.
Of course we still see people getting this wrong
on a regular basis,
but googling for "SUSE capitalization" doesn't reveal anything
helpful. IMHO we need a wiki page covering the One Absolute Truth,
and also a bit of the history behind it. I found this thread from
2005:
Seriously? Is _this_ what prevents the distribution from being
the
greatest and most popular?
No. I never said it was.
After my experience with 13.1, I hardly think so...
Then we agree on that point. But that's not relevant to this
discussion.
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17 Dec
17 Dec
9:19 p.m.
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On Monday, 2013-12-16 at 11:12 -0000, Adam Spiers wrote:
Of course we still see people getting this wrong on a
regular basis,
but googling for "SUSE capitalization" doesn't reveal anything
helpful. IMHO we need a wiki page covering the One Absolute Truth,
and also a bit of the history behind it. I found this thread from
2005:
openSUSE capitalization poses other problems. Spellcheckers fail on it.
For instance, it says that "opensuse" is incorrect, but it does not
suggest that "openSUSE" is the correct one. It also insist on saying that
at the start of a sentence the correct spelling is "OpenSUSE".
Anybody is addressing this? I know there is a bugzilla on the second
issue.
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: SUSE capitalization
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:19:51 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
It also insist on saying that at the start of a
sentence the correct
spelling is "OpenSUSE".
This isn't something that needs a technical solution, IMHO, but a style
guide solution. The solution would be that sentences shouldn't start
with "openSUSE," but should avoid being structured that way. If they
must, then the phrase to use is:
"The openSUSE distribution"
or some variation that avoids putting "openSUSE" at the start of the
sentence.
But we don't have a formal writing style guide (or indeed an informal
one).
We also have the problem of it being spelled "OpenSUSE" on wikis in
general, because page titles are often automatically capitalized.
I guess the place to start this discussion isn't with "let's fix the
problem of openSUSE capitalization," but rather "do we have a multi-
lingual writing style guide that can address these types of issues?"
As a professional writer, I find that when there's a style guide that
spells out things like this, that leads to fewer questions. A good one
to look at as a reference, honestly, is the Microsoft Manual of Style,
4th Edition.
Novell and SUSE have a style guide for open source documentation
authoring that might be a better place to start:
http://www.novell.com/documentation/osauthoring/
This isn't as comprehensive as some (like the Microsoft guide, which gets
into specific word usage, interface elements, and so on), but it's a
starting point.
A more comprehensive guide used by Novell, SUSE, and NetIQ is available
online at:
http://www.novell.com/documentation/beta/docguides/styleguide/data/
bktitle.html
While it's labeled as beta, it's not, it's actively used by the internal
writing teams.
Jim
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2:27 p.m.
New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: SUSE capitalization
Hi,
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 21:19:51 +0100, Carlos E. R.
wrote:
+1
It also insist on saying that at the start of a
sentence the correct
spelling is "OpenSUSE".
[...]
If they must, then the phrase to use is:
"The openSUSE distribution"
or some variation that avoids putting "openSUSE" at the start of the
sentence. But we don't have a formal writing style guide (or
indeed an informal
one).
For documentation, we have one:
http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-doc/trunk/documents/styleguide/en
[...]
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Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg)
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New subject: [opensuse-project] Re: SUSE capitalization
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 14:27:15 +0100, Thomas Schraitle wrote:
That's good to know - I wasn't aware this was available. :)
Jim
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But we
don't have a formal writing style guide (or indeed an informal
one).
For documentation, we have one:
http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-doc/trunk/documents/styleguide/en
6 Jan
6 Jan
3:32 p.m.
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Adam Spiers <aspiers(a)suse.com> wrote:
[…]
Shouldn't there be a page
https://en.opensuse.org/Capitalization
or something?
JFYI: In the spirit of continuous, small improvements, I've created
that page now, which only redirects to the existing
http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Style#openSUSE_spelling (;
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686f6c6d (686f6c6d(a)googlemail.com) wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Adam Spiers
<aspiers(a)suse.com> wrote:
Excellent, thanks! I only just saw this ...
I've added a small bit of history to that section, and cited some
references.
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[…]
Shouldn't there be a page
https://en.opensuse.org/Capitalization
or something?
JFYI: In the spirit of continuous, small improvements, I've created
that page now, which only redirects to the existing
http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Style#openSUSE_spelling (;
27 May
27 May
2:57 p.m.
Adam Spiers (aspiers(a)suse.com) wrote:
686f6c6d (686f6c6d(a)googlemail.com) wrote:
Argh. I spent quite a bit of time on this, but somehow my changes
have vanished without a trace :-( Was there some kind of "restore
from backups" data loss disaster since December?
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On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Adam Spiers
<aspiers(a)suse.com> wrote:
Excellent, thanks! I only just saw this ...
I've added a small bit of history to that section, and cited some
references. […]
Shouldn't there be a page
https://en.opensuse.org/Capitalization
or something?
JFYI: In the spirit of continuous, small improvements, I've created
that page now, which only redirects to the existing
http://en.opensuse.org/Help:Style#openSUSE_spelling (;
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