[opensuse-project] openSUSE.Asia Summit Community Meeting Notes from 04.10.2019
The following items were discussed in Bali, Indonesia, during openSUSE Asia Summit’s community meeting. Please note these are topics that the attendees identified as areas they believe could greatly improve the interest in openSUSE to gather new contributors and users. Attendees understand that addressing these topics would be done through voluntarily contribution. Any help the community can provide to address the topics that were identified below is appreciated. The topics relate to increasing the community’s appeal to new contributors and some other topics that could pose a challenge this coming year. Building Community * Get more interviews about contributors from Asia. * Need for more documentation on use of:* o Kubic o MicroOS o OBS * Technical documentation with a more simplified way of communication the technology. Provide space for people hand write their own tips and tricks. * Promote documentation more * Look at list of “contributing to openSUSE” on the wiki and make sure that the link on contributing to documentation is working and promote that material. * Blog posts, video content on new features in openSUSE. o YaST use cases o Leap and Tumbleweed new features o Tutorial content on using specific packages o Tutorial on how to configure a patch o Make use of content that is already generated though openSUSETV on YouTube * Release media content for countries on their country specific platform. o Passwords and account name along with administrator/POC for the account should be listed on the openSUSE social media wiki page to keep sustainability of the account. * Promote and recoginize openSUSE accomplishments to SUSE and other open source projects. * Good to revive openSUSE Education distribution * Emphasize need for mentor projects and administrator for GSoC through 101.opensuse.org (404) https://github.com/openSUSE/mentoring * Find solutions for community to contribute to the heroes * Persistently try to engage with universities on providing tech talk about openSUSE * If interested in having a Hack fests or install fest contact openSUSE board. openSUSE.Asia Summit 2020 * Faridabad, India (Delhi-NCR) * Sept. 27 – 29, 2020 (Dates are likely the only dates available) * Manav Rachna International Institute of Research and Studies, Faridabad openSUSE/LibOcon Conference 2020 * Sept. 28 – Oct. 1 or Oct. 12 - 15 (Dates that were proposed) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
Building Community *
Need for more documentation on use of:* o
OBS
OBS has extensive user documentation on https://openbuildservice.org, however it doesn't cover packaging with the help of OBS, just usage of OBS tooling by itself. Explaining the concepts of RPM/deb/Arch packaging with the help of OBS in more detail would probably be a benefit to the service.
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Blog posts, video content on new features in openSUSE.
o
YaST use cases
https://github.com/yast/yast.github.io/ could use some help, it would be great if YaST was explained in much more detail there. In general the site is focused much more on development side of things, but having some user facing documentation wouldn't hurt.
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Release media content for countries on their country specific platform.
o
Passwords and account name along with administrator/POC for the account should be listed on the openSUSE social media wiki page to keep sustainability of the account.
This does sound like a way too easy path to have a bunch of trolls infest the accounts, I would suggest having board be gatekeepers, so sending email to the board would result in getting the passwords instead. Having that fact noted somewhere on the wiki would be great as well.
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Good to revive openSUSE Education distribution
Do we need a separate distribution for that? As far as I'm aware the only difference between Leap Leap and Edu Leap was additional software from an OBS repository. If there was a way to get that easier with the standard Leap, we could avoid having to set up another image to build (even if that's not that hard ;)
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Find solutions for community to contribute to the heroes
Join the meetings Heroes have every month, they are very open to contributions, as long as you are willing to do your best ;) https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes#Communication In my experience, it's one of the best teams to deal within the project in terms of communication, it just needs more contributors. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/8/19 1:55 AM, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
Building Community *
Need for more documentation on use of:* o
OBS
OBS has extensive user documentation on https://openbuildservice.org, however it doesn't cover packaging with the help of OBS, just usage of OBS tooling by itself. Explaining the concepts of RPM/deb/Arch packaging with the help of OBS in more detail would probably be a benefit to the service.
Duncan Mac-Vicar has written a excellent guide for this https://duncan.codes/tutorials/rpm-packaging/ we just need to reference it in more places or maybe intergrate it somehow with his permission.
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Blog posts, video content on new features in openSUSE.
o
YaST use cases
https://github.com/yast/yast.github.io/ could use some help, it would be great if YaST was explained in much more detail there. In general the site is focused much more on development side of things, but having some user facing documentation wouldn't hurt.
*
Release media content for countries on their country specific platform.
o
Passwords and account name along with administrator/POC for the account should be listed on the openSUSE social media wiki page to keep sustainability of the account.
This does sound like a way too easy path to have a bunch of trolls infest the accounts, I would suggest having board be gatekeepers, so sending email to the board would result in getting the passwords instead. Having that fact noted somewhere on the wiki would be great as well.
I think the point is more that the wiki page should only be visible to certain people probably the board, but also Doug who is managing most of openSUSE's social media.
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Good to revive openSUSE Education distribution
Do we need a separate distribution for that? As far as I'm aware the only difference between Leap Leap and Edu Leap was additional software from an OBS repository. If there was a way to get that easier with the standard Leap, we could avoid having to set up another image to build (even if that's not that hard ;)
If those packages were added into Leap we could then do a separate build that preinstall's them and bypasses some of the installer steps like selecting a desktop to make the process simpler. openSUSE Edu was a well established brand that the openSUSE project could leverage by publishing a tailor made Leap install under that name.
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Find solutions for community to contribute to the heroes
Join the meetings Heroes have every month, they are very open to contributions, as long as you are willing to do your best ;) https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes#Communication
In my experience, it's one of the best teams to deal within the project in terms of communication, it just needs more contributors.
I think this point possibly ended up worded slightly wrongly, from memory we more discussed making it more possible for the heroes to do more, although it was a brief discussion as there is already ongoing work happening in this area. At the same time it was also mentioned that currently the heroes meeting happens at a really inconvenient time for most people in Asia. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 10:19 AM, Simon Lees <sflees@suse.de> wrote:
On 10/8/19 1:55 AM, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
Building Community *
Need for more documentation on use of:* o
OBS
OBS has extensive user documentation on https://openbuildservice.org, however it doesn't cover packaging with the help of OBS, just usage of OBS tooling by itself. Explaining the concepts of RPM/deb/Arch packaging with the help of OBS in more detail would probably be a benefit to the service.
Duncan Mac-Vicar has written a excellent guide for this https://duncan.codes/tutorials/rpm-packaging/ we just need to reference it in more places or maybe intergrate it somehow with his permission.
Huh, that's pretty nice
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Release media content for countries on their country specific platform.
o
Passwords and account name along with administrator/POC for the account should be listed on the openSUSE social media wiki page to keep sustainability of the account.
This does sound like a way too easy path to have a bunch of trolls infest the accounts, I would suggest having board be gatekeepers, so sending email to the board would result in getting the passwords instead. Having that fact noted somewhere on the wiki would be great as well.
I think the point is more that the wiki page should only be visible to certain people probably the board, but also Doug who is managing most of openSUSE's social media.
Yeah, that wasn't clear from the initial email
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Good to revive openSUSE Education distribution
Do we need a separate distribution for that? As far as I'm aware the only difference between Leap Leap and Edu Leap was additional software from an OBS repository. If there was a way to get that easier with the standard Leap, we could avoid having to set up another image to build (even if that's not that hard ;)
If those packages were added into Leap we could then do a separate build that preinstall's them and bypasses some of the installer steps like selecting a desktop to make the process simpler. openSUSE Edu was a well established brand that the openSUSE project could leverage by publishing a tailor made Leap install under that name.
That's more or less what I mean, with packages in Leap we can do much more "openSUSE way" things, where we are actually using set of software from a tested repository. A pattern wouldn't hurt either. I have been thinking about how to leverage that brand ever since Edu was abandoned, and I haven't done anything just because I knew it would be way too much work in areas that aren't of particular interest to me personally. I can only offer help if somebody is willing to take this on ;)
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Find solutions for community to contribute to the heroes
Join the meetings Heroes have every month, they are very open to contributions, as long as you are willing to do your best ;) https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes#Communication
In my experience, it's one of the best teams to deal within the project in terms of communication, it just needs more contributors.
I think this point possibly ended up worded slightly wrongly, from memory we more discussed making it more possible for the heroes to do more, although it was a brief discussion as there is already ongoing work happening in this area.
At the same time it was also mentioned that currently the heroes meeting happens at a really inconvenient time for most people in Asia.
Huh, haven't thought of that, I guess that will require some further development. The topics mentioned during the meetings are already noted on progress-o-o, if community got a way to contribute to that list, as well as have access to the meetings logs, it would probably improve ease of entry to a degree. Outside of that, there is the heroes mailing list. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2019, 11:39:37 CEST schrieb Stasiek Michalski: [... heroes meetings ...]
The topics mentioned during the meetings are already noted on progress-o-o, if community got a way to contribute to that list, as well as have access to the meetings logs,
This is one of the cases where the heroes were super-fast - we implemented this two years _before_ you asked for it ;-) https://progress.opensuse.org/projects/opensuse-admin/issues?query_id=36 [1] will give you a list of all meetings, and all meeting tickets have the IRC log attached as a text file, typically named "$date"-heroes-meeting.txt". The offsite meetings are not included in the above list - for those, see "Past Meetings" on https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes/Meetings You can also propose a topic by adding a comment to the ticket for the next meeting - this doesn't need any special permissions, just the usual openSUSE login. You can of course also join the meeting and ask there, without any pre-warning ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz [1] Note: When using this link, progress.o.o will remember it as a filter for the ticket list. You'll need to use the "Show all tickets" link to reset the filtering. -- The only valid reason to change passwords is when you suspect them to be compromised. So, every single time an admin is fired. [Vinzent Höfler on https://plus.google.com/+KristianKöhntopp/posts/cpEDJCF6tUN] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/7/19 5:25 PM, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM, ddemaio <ddemaio@suse.de> wrote:
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Blog posts, video content on new features in openSUSE.
o
YaST use cases
https://github.com/yast/yast.github.io/ could use some help, [...]
Just for completeness, that URL would be the "source code", check the rendered version at http://yast.opensuse.org/ Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Linux GmbH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 07.10.19 17:25, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
OBS has extensive user documentation on https://openbuildservice.org, however it doesn't cover packaging with the help of OBS, just usage of OBS tooling by itself. Explaining the concepts of RPM/deb/Arch packaging with the help of OBS in more detail would probably be a benefit to the service.
We also "suffer" b it from the book/wiki split. There is lot's of content in each that is missing from the other. Packaging is mostly documented in the wiki. https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Packaging https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Debian_builds Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/8/19 9:40 PM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 07.10.19 17:25, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
OBS has extensive user documentation on https://openbuildservice.org, however it doesn't cover packaging with the help of OBS, just usage of OBS tooling by itself. Explaining the concepts of RPM/deb/Arch packaging with the help of OBS in more detail would probably be a benefit to the service.
We also "suffer" b it from the book/wiki split. There is lot's of content in each that is missing from the other. Packaging is mostly documented in the wiki.
I'd kinda consider packaging documentation as something different, Its not so much "End User" documentation and more "openSUSE Developer" documentation. I kinda think it makes sense to keep these two things cleanly separated, I think the ideal form for much of our developer guidelines such as systemd packaging guidelines or python packaging guidelines is the wiki because its quick and easy to bring in new processes as they change in tumbleweed. While im guessing most of our user doc's need to change less quickly. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 14.10.19 13:40, Simon Lees wrote:
I'd kinda consider packaging documentation as something different, Its not so much "End User" documentation and more "openSUSE Developer" documentation.
This distinction does not really hold up from the perspective of the OBS. "openSUSE Developer"s are Packagers. OBS "End User"s are Packagers too. It's also not a distinction many people make. Packaging is equal to OBS and OBS is equal to packaging. Many people come to the OBS community looking for answers "why does this not build" or "how can I do XYZ in my package". The tool is the space where this is happening, the tool's documentation should cover what you can do with it. At least everything that isn't a corner case. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le lundi 07 octobre 2019 à 16:18 +0200, ddemaio a écrit :
openSUSE.Asia Summit 2020 * Faridabad, India (Delhi-NCR) * Sept. 27 – 29, 2020 (Dates are likely the only dates available) * Manav Rachna International Institute of Research and Studies, Faridabad
openSUSE/LibOcon Conference 2020 * Sept. 28 – Oct. 1 or Oct. 12 - 15 (Dates that were proposed)
Isn't this a major issue that the two events would be so close to each other? Or do we expect the attendees to go to only one of them? On the other hand, I guess if picking the conflicting dates, maybe this could be seen as an opportunity to organize one event in two completely different locations (with streaming for sessions). Is this being considered? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/15/19 6:05 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le lundi 07 octobre 2019 à 16:18 +0200, ddemaio a écrit :
openSUSE.Asia Summit 2020 * Faridabad, India (Delhi-NCR) * Sept. 27 – 29, 2020 (Dates are likely the only dates available) * Manav Rachna International Institute of Research and Studies, Faridabad
openSUSE/LibOcon Conference 2020 * Sept. 28 – Oct. 1 or Oct. 12 - 15 (Dates that were proposed) Isn't this a major issue that the two events would be so close to each other? Or do we expect the attendees to go to only one of them?
On the other hand, I guess if picking the conflicting dates, maybe this could be seen as an opportunity to organize one event in two completely different locations (with streaming for sessions). Is this being considered?
Yes, this is being considered as an options. However, there are many elements to consider. We'll know more soon. v/r Doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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