On Thursday 27 November 2008 18:49:22 Michael Loeffler wrote:

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Of course it does. Have a look at the site, look how Planet SUSE aggregates. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 19:41 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 18:49 +0100, Michael Loeffler wrote:

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Discussion of the hard ones: Does upstream contributino qualifies to become a member? For openSUSE related stuff like infrastructure (eg. OBS) yes, for software (KDE, Mono) no. But we shoudn't be "Heiliger als der Papst" (more catholic than the pope).

To clarify - this means the current opinion is that upstream project developers who are only users of openSUSE wouldn't qualify?

-JP -- JP Rosevear Novell, Inc.

The question came up more for those of us who are new on the board and grasping an understanding of how membership applications were approved in the past. It was not a declaration of a hard and fast rule that applies to any Novell employee. What we were asking was whether or not a blanket rule should be applied where if you're a Novell employee, do you automatically get approval if you apply? Although we're still sifting through the backlog of applications, we have found that generally the Novell applicants have met the test for approval, as any other applicant. The requirements for anyone, Novell employee or not, is that there has to be some meaningful contribution to the project. Some examples include: - Filing bug reports - Participating on the mailing lists - Contributing to the wiki - Providing online support (e.g., IRC support channels) - Advocacy/evangelism/projects that promote the use of openSUSE - Coding/Packaging/etc. The above list of examples is definitely not exhaustive and we look at each applicant individually. (Hence why it takes so much time to process memberships.) We believe that providing such a litmus test adds real value to the prestige of becoming a member of the openSUSE Project. One applicant who was rejected by the last board came to me and asked what he needed to do to become approved in the future. I explained that he needed to provide real contribution to the project. His response was that he appreciated that and that when his application does get approved eventually, he'll have real honor for accomplishing this. We have no intention of setting the bar too high that it becomes extremely difficult to become a member. However, simply being a user, whether an employee of Novell or not, does not meet the litmus test. -- Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:49:22 Michael Loeffler wrote:

openSUSE conference Michl shared the information that zonker is planning an openSUSE conference in summer 2009 targeted to developers and packagers. SUSE has now for years an internal SUSELabs conference in the Czech Republic where around 100 developers gather to meet each other, exchange information, do some hacking and to have fun. The idea is to extent this event to the community.

If I am not mistaken, that would probably continue being a SUSE developers conference (SUSELabs) because there are not many community developers and packagers ("officially" so to speak). What about something more general to better cover other areas where community contributes actively? I'm thinking of something like Akademy and GUADEC. -- Regards, Carlos Goncalves -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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On Thursday 27 November 2008 17:49:22 Michael Loeffler wrote:

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openSUSE conference Michl shared the information that zonker is planning an openSUSE conference in summer 2009 targeted to developers and packagers. SUSE has now for years an internal SUSELabs conference in the Czech Republic where around 100 developers gather to meet each other, exchange information, do some hacking and to have fun. The idea is to extent this event to the community.

If I am not mistaken, that would probably continue being a SUSE developers conference (SUSELabs) because there are not many community developers and packagers ("officially" so to speak).

What about something more general to better cover other areas where community contributes actively? I'm thinking of something like Akademy and GUADEC.

Yeah, I'd also think it should be about contributors in general, not limited to developers and packagers. I think "developers and packagers" actually means "contributors", as opposed to "mere users" ;) Michl, Zonker: could you please confirm or correct that ? :) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::7+8 Feb 2009, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJMIKfr3NMWliFcXcRAgQdAJ481c6mUkeFdz2+s/zLiQIWYuw94QCghnnl 290T5Sbl9Ro6p7xbItMP8yE= =NQ2/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Pascal Bleser wrote:

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I think "developers and packagers" actually means "contributors", as opposed to "mere users" ;)

Well, I'd hesitate to say "mere users," -- using openSUSE is the first step on the path of contribution, right? :-)

What I meant is that it would be oriented towards hacking sessions, presentations and meetings for contributors (developers, packagers, translators, wiki editors, marketing, ...), stuff like that. As opposed to introductions to and showcasing of openSUSE (as it would be the case on "user conferences" where most visitors never heard of Linux and such). The idea is more of an "openSUSE FOSDEM" than an "openSUSE CeBIT". Or, at least, that was my understanding ;D

But, yes -- targeted at contributors in that the program is going to be for people who are contributing to openSUSE.

OK :) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::7+8 Feb 2009, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFJMQsVr3NMWliFcXcRAt1RAJ9T+6odPueIy1vucWHZLzcOv98GxACfUyhG oPI6DTOmEvm40IwcO9UOM4Q= =qo5Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

JP Rosevear writes:

On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 23:08 -0600, Bryen wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 19:41 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 18:49 +0100, Michael Loeffler wrote:

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Discussion of the hard ones: Does upstream contributino qualifies to become a member? For openSUSE related stuff like infrastructure (eg. OBS) yes, for software (KDE, Mono) no. But we shoudn't be "Heiliger als der Papst" (more catholic than the pope).

To clarify - this means the current opinion is that upstream project developers who are only users of openSUSE wouldn't qualify?

-JP -- JP Rosevear Novell, Inc.

The question came up more for those of us who are new on the board and grasping an understanding of how membership applications were approved in the past. It was not a declaration of a hard and fast rule that applies to any Novell employee.

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What we were asking was whether or not a blanket rule should be applied where if you're a Novell employee, do you automatically get approval if you apply? Although we're still sifting through the backlog of applications, we have found that generally the Novell applicants have met the test for approval, as any other applicant. The requirements for anyone, Novell employee or not, is that there has to be some meaningful contribution to the project. Some examples include:

- Filing bug reports - Participating on the mailing lists - Contributing to the wiki - Providing online support (e.g., IRC support channels) - Advocacy/evangelism/projects that promote the use of openSUSE - Coding/Packaging/etc.

The above list of examples is definitely not exhaustive and we look at each applicant individually. (Hence why it takes so much time to process memberships.) We believe that providing such a litmus test adds real value to the prestige of becoming a member of the openSUSE Project.

What I'm saying is the a significant upstream contributor is really an openSUSE contributor no matter who they are, we need their code, so if someone like that applies (and does not really contribute to openSUSE directly in the above areas), I think they should still be considered for membership. Building a better upstream relationship is a good thing.

IMHO if that upstream contributor is fixing bugs that are filed against the openSUSE distribution or taking care of building the upstream package in the build service, I voted for him as member. But if you don't see any openSUSE specific action at all by him - no bug reports against openSUSE, no mails on the mailing lists etc - , I'm in favor of rejection. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126