[opensuse-project] Projects of the openSUSE Project
Hi, We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project. I know about openQA, Uyuni, Kiwi, OBS, YaST (and probably some more I'm forgetting right now). Please enlighten me and advertise yourself ;) It's also hard to tell what's SUSE and what's openSUS, is openQA actually openSUSE? it does say SUSE on the bottom of open.qa. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 5 maart 2020 15:05:49 CET schreef Stasiek Michalski:
Hi,
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project. I know about openQA, Uyuni, Kiwi, OBS, YaST (and probably some more I'm forgetting right now). Please enlighten me and advertise yourself ;)
It's also hard to tell what's SUSE and what's openSUS, is openQA actually openSUSE? it does say SUSE on the bottom of open.qa.
I don't see that. On my laptop I see the SUSE Logo on the right, below the login, but marked "Sponsor".
LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world
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On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 16:09, Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> wrote:
Op donderdag 5 maart 2020 15:05:49 CET schreef Stasiek Michalski:
Hi,
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project. I know about openQA, Uyuni, Kiwi, OBS, YaST (and probably some more I'm forgetting right now). Please enlighten me and advertise yourself ;)
It's also hard to tell what's SUSE and what's openSUS, is openQA actually openSUSE? it does say SUSE on the bottom of open.qa.
I don't see that. On my laptop I see the SUSE Logo on the right, below the login, but marked "Sponsor".
http://open.qa Also, I just noticed I missed E in openSUSE, whoops LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Op donderdag 5 maart 2020 16:11:20 CET schreef Stasiek Michalski:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 16:09, Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org>
wrote:
Op donderdag 5 maart 2020 15:05:49 CET schreef Stasiek Michalski:
Hi,
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to
find
everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full
list
of projects of the project. I know about openQA, Uyuni, Kiwi, OBS,
YaST
(and probably some more I'm forgetting right now). Please enlighten
me
and advertise yourself ;)
It's also hard to tell what's SUSE and what's openSUS, is openQA actually openSUSE? it does say SUSE on the bottom of open.qa.
I don't see that. On my laptop I see the SUSE Logo on the right, below the login, but marked "Sponsor".
Also, I just noticed I missed E in openSUSE, whoops
LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world Ah, that one. Mmmm.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 3/5/20 4:11 PM, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 16:09, Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> wrote:
Op donderdag 5 maart 2020 15:05:49 CET schreef Stasiek Michalski:
Hi,
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project. I know about openQA, Uyuni, Kiwi, OBS, YaST (and probably some more I'm forgetting right now). Please enlighten me and advertise yourself ;)
It's also hard to tell what's SUSE and what's openSUS, is openQA actually openSUSE? it does say SUSE on the bottom of open.qa.
I don't see that. On my laptop I see the SUSE Logo on the right, below the login, but marked "Sponsor".
No good reason. Back then, when we created that page, openQA was basically an effort driven by a team of developers at SUSE to scratch our own itches. It only became an important tool for both SUSE and openSUSE later... but I guess nobody ever cared to change that footer. Anyways, trying to draw a line to separate things developed at SUSE from things developed within openSUSE would be like walking on thin ice. Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Software Solutions -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2020-03-05 at 17:10 +0100, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 3/5/20 4:11 PM, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 16:09, Knurpht-openSUSE < knurpht@opensuse.org> wrote:
Op donderdag 5 maart 2020 15:05:49 CET schreef Stasiek Michalski:
Hi,
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project. I know about openQA, Uyuni, Kiwi, OBS, YaST (and probably some more I'm forgetting right now). Please enlighten me and advertise yourself ;)
It's also hard to tell what's SUSE and what's openSUS, is openQA actually openSUSE? it does say SUSE on the bottom of open.qa.
I don't see that. On my laptop I see the SUSE Logo on the right, below the login, but marked "Sponsor".
No good reason. Back then, when we created that page, openQA was basically an effort driven by a team of developers at SUSE to scratch our own itches. It only became an important tool for both SUSE and openSUSE later... but I guess nobody ever cared to change that footer.
Anyways, trying to draw a line to separate things developed at SUSE from things developed within openSUSE would be like walking on thin ice.
I don't think the ice is that thin..SUSE have a policy on this: https://opensource.suse.com/suse-open-source-policy Quoting the relevant portions: "For projects which are exclusively maintained by SUSE and where we - as a company - intend to take full responsibility of the project, SUSE is the organization to use" "For projects which have maintainers or co-maintainers from the community who are not employed by SUSE, or for projects which are open to this model, openSUSE is the organization to use"
Cheers. -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Software Solutions
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On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 17:10, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa <ancor@suse.de> wrote:
On 3/5/20 4:11 PM, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 16:09, Knurpht-openSUSE <knurpht@opensuse.org> wrote:
Op donderdag 5 maart 2020 15:05:49 CET schreef Stasiek Michalski:
Hi,
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project. I know about openQA, Uyuni, Kiwi, OBS, YaST (and probably some more I'm forgetting right now). Please enlighten me and advertise yourself ;)
It's also hard to tell what's SUSE and what's openSUS, is openQA actually openSUSE? it does say SUSE on the bottom of open.qa.
I don't see that. On my laptop I see the SUSE Logo on the right, below the login, but marked "Sponsor".
No good reason. Back then, when we created that page, openQA was basically an effort driven by a team of developers at SUSE to scratch our own itches. It only became an important tool for both SUSE and openSUSE later... but I guess nobody ever cared to change that footer.
Anyways, trying to draw a line to separate things developed at SUSE from things developed within openSUSE would be like walking on thin ice.
That gets kinda confusing with for example Kiwi, which was developed in openSUSE GitHub organization for quite a long time, but then was moved to SUSE organization, and now is in its own organization. I am reaaaallly confused where Kiwi belongs nowadays for this reason alone. Another example would be studioexpress.opensuse.org which is hosted as openSUSE subdomain and has SUSE footer. I'm kind of curious how this works out foundation-wise as well, because if the notice was "openSUSE Contributors" instead of "SUSE LLC", the copyright migration would have probably been much easier to move to be owned by foundation from the get-go. And that should be fairly trivial considering openSUSE is a SUSE trademark at this moment. Instead, the foundation might be forced to just ask SUSE for copyright stuff every couple of months if this is not well defined. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am 05.03.20 um 17:22 schrieb Stasiek Michalski:
That gets kinda confusing with for example Kiwi, which was developed in openSUSE GitHub organization for quite a long time, but then was moved to SUSE organization, and now is in its own organization. I am
That has a technical reason IIUC: openSUSE/kiwi was the old "perl-kiwi" SUSE/kiwi was the new "python-kiwi" So it was not a move, but it was a new project. And because the name was already taken at github/openSUSE, it went to github/SUSE. Now, exactly to make it clear what is what and that it is not "owned" by SUSE or even openSUSE (because it is open for contributions from / for other distributions...), it has gotten its own "organization" on github and is OSinside/kiwi (new, python) OSinside/kiwi-legacy (old, perl) At least that how I understood / interpreted the changes. But maybe just ask Marcus on the kiwi matrix channel. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Am March 5, 2020 2:05:49 PM UTC schrieb Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@opensuse.org>:
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project.
Sidenote: What about providing some content at https://www.opensuse-project.org/ ? If someone wants to start to work on a project page, I can try to convince "someone else" to help pointing the IP to the right content... :-) Regards, Lars -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 15:52, Lars Vogdt <lars@linux-schulserver.de> wrote:
Am March 5, 2020 2:05:49 PM UTC schrieb Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@opensuse.org>:
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project.
Sidenote: What about providing some content at https://www.opensuse-project.org/ ? If someone wants to start to work on a project page, I can try to convince "someone else" to help pointing the IP to the right content... :-)
Sure, that was kinda the intention (although on www.o.o), I need to have a list of things to mention in the first place. I wonder what kind of stuff belongs where then, how much of an overview of the project do we need on opensuse.org and how much should be on opensuse-project.org, should one page link to another, what about the community should we explain. We still need to spend some time on the contribution side of things overall and there are multiple things I am making for that purpose too. LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 3/6/20 2:32 AM, Stasiek Michalski wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 15:52, Lars Vogdt <lars@linux-schulserver.de> wrote:
Am March 5, 2020 2:05:49 PM UTC schrieb Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@opensuse.org>:
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full list of projects of the project.
Sidenote: What about providing some content at https://www.opensuse-project.org/ ? If someone wants to start to work on a project page, I can try to convince "someone else" to help pointing the IP to the right content... :-)
Sure, that was kinda the intention (although on www.o.o), I need to have a list of things to mention in the first place. I wonder what kind of stuff belongs where then, how much of an overview of the project do we need on opensuse.org and how much should be on opensuse-project.org, should one page link to another, what about the community should we explain. We still need to spend some time on the contribution side of things overall and there are multiple things I am making for that purpose too.
My gut feel is that most people coming to opensuse.org are looking for something related to a distro so opensuse.org should remain much more focused on that but with a bright shiny banner saying other parts of the openSUSE Project. The last board discussed what sorts of projects we should and shouldn't allow as a part of the project. as it becomes slightly more relevant once we have a foundation as we'd expect them to be potentially able to use some of the foundation resources. The main thing we noted was that most of our current projects are reasonably developer focused and or were projects started by SUSE employee's during hackweek. We came to the conclusion that we shouldn't really limit what sorts of things we want to have in the project beyond the fact they should probably be useful to more then a few people. There are some other things that fall into the category of openSUSE being SUSE's upstream and continuing to encourage that likely makes sense given our close relationships. Having said that there are some things that should probably fall under that relationship but that haven't been formalised yet. Obviously its mostly up to the developers of those projects but i'll ping the board to get in touch with the ones that I know about. Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
Le 5 mars 2020 16:52:02 GMT+01:00, Lars Vogdt <lars@linux-schulserver.de> a écrit :
We don't really have a resource for this, and it's really hard to find everything. What does the openSUSE Project do? I would need a full
Am March 5, 2020 2:05:49 PM UTC schrieb Stasiek Michalski <hellcp@opensuse.org>: list
of projects of the project.
Sidenote: What about providing some content at https://www.opensuse-project.org/ ? If someone wants to start to work on a project page, I can try to convince "someone else" to help pointing the IP to the right content... :-)
Regards, Lars
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Hi all, As I see it using another domain (opensuse-project.org) will bring more confusion. Wouldn't it be easier and more convenient to simply use projects.opensuse.org ? In the same vein we can use community.opensuse.org to present the community, how to become a member, how and where to contribute. Or we may as well improve the wiki that already all those thing: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:How_to_participate That would be less effort nope ? Regards 'When there is no more room at school, the dumb will walk the Earth.' Sébastien 'sogal' Poher -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 18:10, Sébastien 'sogal' Poher <sogal@opensuse.org> wrote:
As I see it using another domain (opensuse-project.org) will bring more confusion. Wouldn't it be easier and more convenient to simply use projects.opensuse.org ?
Yup, it would probably be a redirect, I like subdomains way more than long domains.
In the same vein we can use community.opensuse.org to present the community, how to become a member, how and where to contribute. Or we may as well improve the wiki that already all those thing: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:How_to_participate
That would be less effort nope ?
If we want text only, with some occasional images? Sure. Heck, in the past what we would call "news-o-o" was done through openSUSE Wiki. We need to see if that kind of a solution actually makes sense anymore, and if we want to expand the scope of those wiki pages outside what wiki allows us to do. Because we probably don't want news-o-o on the wiki... LCP [Stasiek] https://lcp.world -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 05 mars 2020 à 06:55:05, Stasiek Michalski a écrit :
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 18:10, Sébastien 'sogal' Poher <sogal@opensuse.org> wrote:
As I see it using another domain (opensuse-project.org) will bring more confusion. Wouldn't it be easier and more convenient to simply use projects.opensuse.org ?
Yup, it would probably be a redirect, I like subdomains way more than long domains.
+1
In the same vein we can use community.opensuse.org to present the community, how to become a member, how and where to contribute. Or we may as well improve the wiki that already all those thing: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Members https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:How_to_participate
That would be less effort nope ?
If we want text only, with some occasional images? Sure. Heck, in the past what we would call "news-o-o" was done through openSUSE Wiki. We need to see if that kind of a solution actually makes sense anymore, and if we want to expand the scope of those wiki pages outside what wiki allows us to do. Because we probably don't want news-o-o on the wiki...
Hell no ! But the news-o-o content changes very often, so it does not fit in a wiki. The content of a wiki is more of a "carved in stone" nature, less prone to change every week. The ways to contribute to openSUSE or to join membership do not change all the time. The list of all openSUSE's projects as well. I am not saying that I am against the idea of dedicated website(s), each one having its subdomain, but it is more work to do and to maintain alive on the long run. One day they will be unmaintained or forgottent, then duplicated somewhere else as it has happened with https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:People_of_openSUSE and https://people.opensuse.org/index.html For those purpose (slow pace changing content), the wiki is currently doing the job and is well maintained already. Maybe revamping, updating or adding dedicated portals will be enough ? -- 'When there is no more room at school, the dumb will walk the Earth.' Sébastien 'sogal' Poher
participants (9)
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Ancor Gonzalez Sosa -
Knurpht-openSUSE -
Lars Vogdt -
Richard Brown -
Simon Lees -
Sogal -
Stasiek Michalski -
Stefan Seyfried -
Sébastien 'sogal' Poher