Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect
Hi Edwin, On 2/22/19 12:17 PM, medwinz wrote:
I also volunteer for this. What can i help?
Glad to hear that. So, while the ramblings go on, let's ponder on the course of action. I find that the Nextcloud + Spreadsheet alternative can be a good *temporary* start. However, it does not address some points that Richard raised, like people being able to apply for membership and provide an easy interface for the membership officials to evaluate the application. That being said we could explore existing open source software that address such issues already. I think Admidio [1] and Tendenci [2] are worth investigating. Your thoughts? Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://www.admidio.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:2.0:index [2] https://www.tendenci.com/media/files/files/f057f939/tendenci-whitepaper.pdf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 22/02/2019 à 15:22, Ish Sookun a écrit :
raised, like people being able to apply for membership and provide an easy interface for the membership officials to evaluate the application.
this can be through a simple mailing list...
[1] https://www.admidio.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:2.0:index [2] https://www.tendenci.com/media/files/files/f057f939/tendenci-whitepaper.pdf
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not? jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hi jdd, On 2/22/19 9:54 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not?
So far, we got two volunteers for experimenting, Edwin & I. I guess, if we're able to experiment & document procedures on the Wiki it'll make things easier when others step it. Regards, Ish Sookun -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 22/02/2019 à 19:54, Ish Sookun a écrit :
Hi jdd,
On 2/22/19 9:54 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not?
So far, we got two volunteers for experimenting, Edwin & I.
I guess, if we're able to experiment & document procedures on the Wiki it'll make things easier when others step it.
for sure :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 22/02/2019 19.54, Ish Sookun wrote:
Hi jdd,
On 2/22/19 9:54 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not?
So far, we got two volunteers for experimenting, Edwin & I.
I guess, if we're able to experiment & document procedures on the Wiki it'll make things easier when others step it.
And others have volunteered to try clear the spam on the existing system. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Op vrijdag 22 februari 2019 20:11:29 CET schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 22/02/2019 19.54, Ish Sookun wrote:
Hi jdd,
On 2/22/19 9:54 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not?
So far, we got two volunteers for experimenting, Edwin & I.
I guess, if we're able to experiment & document procedures on the Wiki it'll make things easier when others step it.
And others have volunteered to try clear the spam on the existing system. Since usernames are the same all over the infra, the forums team might be able to produce a list of banned users. 99.99% of those are spammers, which should have the same usernames on connect.o.o, or am I thinking too simplisctic.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 22/02/2019 22.25, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Op vrijdag 22 februari 2019 20:11:29 CET schreef Carlos E. R.:
On 22/02/2019 19.54, Ish Sookun wrote:
Hi jdd,
On 2/22/19 9:54 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not?
So far, we got two volunteers for experimenting, Edwin & I.
I guess, if we're able to experiment & document procedures on the Wiki it'll make things easier when others step it.
And others have volunteered to try clear the spam on the existing system. Since usernames are the same all over the infra, the forums team might be able to produce a list of banned users. 99.99% of those are spammers, which should have the same usernames on connect.o.o, or am I thinking too simplisctic.
I understand the same login is used at both places, so this could be very useful indeed. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hi Carlos, On 2/22/19 11:11 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
And others have volunteered to try clear the spam on the existing system.
Sure. Can do both at the same time. I mean one team tries to clear the existing system and another experiments possible alternatives. Regards, Ish -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Op vrijdag 22 februari 2019 19:54:07 CET schreef Ish Sookun:
Hi jdd,
On 2/22/19 9:54 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not?
So far, we got two volunteers for experimenting, Edwin & I.
I guess, if we're able to experiment & document procedures on the Wiki it'll make things easier when others step it.
Regards,
Ish Sookun Ish, it might be good to contact the membership officials, and get together somehow, build a team out of it.
-- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Knurpht, On 2/23/19 1:22 AM, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:
Ish, it might be good to contact the membership officials, and get together somehow, build a team out of it.
Yes, sure. Will ping Edwin and we'll do that. Regards, Ish -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/22/19 10:54 AM, Ish Sookun wrote:
Hi jdd,
On 2/22/19 9:54 PM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
same kind than "galette", only I don't know nor use them, but why not?
So far, we got two volunteers for experimenting, Edwin & I.
I guess, if we're able to experiment & document procedures on the Wiki it'll make things easier when others step it.
Regards,
Ish Sookun
Actually, I count four, although none of you would have spotted the fourth. At the last Heroes meeting a few days ago, I stepped up and said I would take on the job of moving our information off of Connect and into our own new solution, if I can get the right access and *if I can get the necessary help* from other Community Members. Christian Boltz (cboltz), another couple Heroes, and I made some tentative pre-plans. However, I also said I need some time to rest after the Elections process, and will still be resting for a few days, yet. Part of that is the total lack of response and interest by anyone on this list to step up and help us -- Ish, Edwin, and I on the Elections Committee -- with a simple task in the Elections: Organize the IRC debates for us, as the three of us were too tied up or otherwise unable to do that. If nobody steps up, nothing gets done, and that is the same with this issue. Note that Carlos, here, *has* offered to help, and that makes #3 with Ish and Edwin being #1 & #2. All people who have already done some heavy lifting for the Project. Actually, come to think of it, I think there are now 5, because I think jdd also made some commitments along the way. Is that right, jdd??? Keep in mind, we can only do what we know how to do, so if some of you on here have certain skills that will help, please step up. I see two Vincent's, f.e., making a lot of noise about how this needs to be done, but they still have not offered to work on it. ... and others ... I completely agree with what Richard has said, and continues to say, regarding this issue. Those who want to help, PLEASE, step up. Those who don't, please stop whining, it does nothing to move things along in a positive direction. -- -Gerry Makaro openSUSE Member openSUSE Global Moderator openSUSE Contributor YaST Contributor aka Fraser_Bell on the Forums, OBS, IRC, and mail at openSUSE.org Fraser-Bell on Github -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 22/02/2019 à 23:55, Fraser_Bell a écrit :
Actually, come to think of it, I think there are now 5, because I think jdd also made some commitments along the way. Is that right, jdd???
yes, I do that said my (two) posts on membership-official did not give any answer, jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 23/02/2019 17:56, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 22/02/2019 à 23:55, Fraser_Bell a écrit :
Actually, come to think of it, I think there are now 5, because I think jdd also made some commitments along the way. Is that right, jdd???
yes, I do
that said my (two) posts on membership-official did not give any answer,
jdd
From memory many of the membership officials are inactive, while working in this area it might make sense to check how many of the membership officials still wish to be so, and if the number is unreasonably low look at adding some more. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/02/2019 à 08:38, Simon Lees a écrit :
On 23/02/2019 17:56, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
that said my (two) posts on membership-official did not give any answer,
jdd
From memory many of the membership officials are inactive, while working in this area it might make sense to check how many of the membership officials still wish to be so, and if the number is unreasonably low look at adding some more.
it's probably true https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Membership_officials notice some people seems to be candidates since 2015 and don't have got an answer (or the page is unmaintained :-(). Anyway, the concern of Richard that the board can't take care of the connect thing because interest conflict is a nonsense, the membership officials being themselves designated by the board... So it's important to clean all this once and for a moment... my thinking is that we need a subscriber management tool for members, as any non profit organization do. I proposed "galette" only because I'm administrator of once instance of the product,and I know it works, but any other like the two that where proposed may do the job. IMHO the main interest is that (at least with galette), anybody can ask for an account and, if accepted have the access to it's own data, in accordance with the new european regulation. I'm unsure if it's a good thing to be tied to openSUSE "corporate" login, may be not. * first step: is it possible to have a working opensuse session of the three software candidates for testing purpose on some openSUSE virtual server? probably needed: apache, mysql, software installed, (sub)domain name I propose membership.opensuse.org can we go on? thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 09:00, jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 23/02/2019 à 08:38, Simon Lees a écrit :
On 23/02/2019 17:56, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
that said my (two) posts on membership-official did not give any answer,
jdd
From memory many of the membership officials are inactive, while working in this area it might make sense to check how many of the membership officials still wish to be so, and if the number is unreasonably low look at adding some more.
it's probably true
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Membership_officials
notice some people seems to be candidates since 2015 and don't have got an answer (or the page is unmaintained :-().
Anyway, the concern of Richard that the board can't take care of the connect thing because interest conflict is a nonsense, the membership officials being themselves designated by the board...
So it's important to clean all this once and for a moment...
I think the suggestion the Board should be dealing with this is nonsense. That would imply just because the Board can deal with everything, then the Board should deal with everything. The Board is meant to be a body of last resort, only stepping it to take care of things when absolutely no one else cares, or when too many people care and conflicts appear. The Board are a volunteer organisation already doing a heck of a lot of work on topics which no one else can easily help with - this is a topic anyone can help with. Logic dictates that anyone or everyone in the Project should be volunteering to solve it. The very idea of this being a 'Board' problem shouldn't even be crossing anyones mind because we (the community as a whole) should be taking care so completely the Board shouldn't be left with anything to even worry about. And if we don't have people volunteering to take care of core things like "how do we run our Membership scheme", maybe the openSUSE Project doesn't have the collective will to justify having a Membership scheme. I know there are people who are keen to see openSUSE have more independence, maybe it's own foundation, budgets, sovereignty, et al. If we, as a community of volunteers, can't even sort out the problem of connect.opensuse.org without dumping it on the Board's desk, then how can we, as a community, hope to run openSUSE as a more independent project? If you want to see openSUSE be a strong project, we need people to step up and help in situations like this. Here's your chance. We're starting to see that now, people are volunteering, ideas are flowing, and I welcome it. This is awesome, don't stop - but don't go ahead doing it thinking that this is something 'someone else' could have taken care of. The people volunteering to help with this problem are model contributors - everyone should be doing what they can to help. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/02/2019 à 09:24, Richard Brown a écrit :
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 09:00, jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Anyway, the concern of Richard that the board can't take care of the connect thing because interest conflict is a nonsense, the membership officials being themselves designated by the board...
So it's important to clean all this once and for a moment...
I think the suggestion the Board should be dealing with this is nonsense.
I didn't say that, only that the board is the one that decide (who else?), and present membership-official do not solve the (said) interest conflict. the board do *not* have to do the job itself (apart if it wants to), and It seems there is now enough volunteers
We're starting to see that now, people are volunteering, ideas are flowing, and I welcome it. This is awesome, don't stop
so who can answer to the questions about the membership virtual server we need to work? (I can provide a server myself if necessary, but is it the way to go?) thanks, jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Februar 2019 um 09:34 Uhr Von: "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org> An: Kein Empfänger Cc: opensuse-project <opensuse-project@opensuse.org> Betreff: Re: [opensuse-project] huge amount of SPAM on opensuse-connect [membership officials]
Le 23/02/2019 à 09:24, Richard Brown a écrit :
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 09:00, jdd@dodin.org <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Anyway, the concern of Richard that the board can't take care of the connect thing because interest conflict is a nonsense, the membership officials being themselves designated by the board...
So it's important to clean all this once and for a moment...
I think the suggestion the Board should be dealing with this is nonsense.
I didn't say that, only that the board is the one that decide (who else?), and present membership-official do not solve the (said) interest conflict.
the board do *not* have to do the job itself (apart if it wants to), and It seems there is now enough volunteers
We're starting to see that now, people are volunteering, ideas are flowing, and I welcome it. This is awesome, don't stop
so who can answer to the questions about the membership virtual server we need to work? (I can provide a server myself if necessary, but is it the way to go?)
That is the Heroes Team. You can receive VMs there.
thanks,
jdd
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Le 23/02/2019 à 12:42, Sarah Julia Kriesch a écrit :
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Februar 2019 um 09:34 Uhr Von: "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org>
so who can answer to the questions about the membership virtual server we need to work? (I can provide a server myself if necessary, but is it the way to go?)
That is the Heroes Team. You can receive VMs there.
thanks,
thanks and re reading my last post, I have to apologize, I didn't mind to be rude on you. I'm a bit tired and English is not my native language. Sorry. I can ask at admin@opensuse.org, but I'm not sure how it works really, I will do if nobody do it in the next few hours thanks again jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 23/02/2019 12.50, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 23/02/2019 à 12:42, Sarah Julia Kriesch a écrit :
Gesendet: Samstag, 23. Februar 2019 um 09:34 Uhr Von: "jdd@dodin.org" <jdd@dodin.org>
so who can answer to the questions about the membership virtual server we need to work? (I can provide a server myself if necessary, but is it the way to go?)
That is the Heroes Team. You can receive VMs there.
thanks,
thanks
and re reading my last post, I have to apologize, I didn't mind to be rude on you. I'm a bit tired and English is not my native language. Sorry.
Before somebody interprets the above wrongly, I'll do a correction for you :-) It is not "I didn't mind", but "I didn't intend" :-D The meaning is the reverse of what you tried to say, LOL :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 23/02/2019 à 12:58, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
It is not "I didn't mind", but "I didn't intend" :-D
The meaning is the reverse of what you tried to say, LOL :-)
sorry :-( and thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 23/02/2019 13.49, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 23/02/2019 à 12:58, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
It is not "I didn't mind", but "I didn't intend" :-D
The meaning is the reverse of what you tried to say, LOL :-)
sorry :-(
Don't be. I'm sure many of us not English as first language speakers make many mistakes we don't notice.
and thanks
Welcome :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am Freitag, 22. Februar 2019, 23:55:00 CET schrieb Fraser_Bell:
I see two Vincent's, f.e., making a lot of noise about how this needs to be done, but they still have not offered to work on it.
Why should I offer to work on something which has not been decided yet? Furthermore, are proposals only allowed if one mentions his volunteering in the same breath? If that's your position on discussions and telling people how they should help you can do the maths. Regards, vinz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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