On 29/05/18 02:09, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 05/28/2018 05:19 PM, Anton Aylward wrote:
As I said, elsewhere, not all problems are bugs.
Those that are not are better solved by the Wisdom of Crowds than annoying a
single developer who has limited time and patience.
I agree with that. I have made the experience from Debian that many users
abuse the bug tracking system as a support forum. It can be quite frustrating
when you are overrun with invalid bug reports which were just reported because
users are unable to tell a bug from a local configuration issue.
But not all problems are bugs. Deep debugging
can be challenging and
infuriating, but the resolution gives satisfaction.
Dealing with users making their own <strike>idiocies</strike> mistakes into
reports is frustrating and annoying.
I hope this *IS* a short term solution since in the longer term the Suse
developers will get annoyed enough to stop volunteering <strike>to deal with
Yes. If you tell people to report a bug every time they run into a problem,
you will have your bug tracker flooded with invalid bug reports.
Again 2 different issues that we are trying to be solved differently
have been mixed up here.
If as in the case suggested in this email you have tried to setup a
webserver for example and something is not working and your not sure if
you did it wrong or you found a bug, you should not file a bug you
should ask for help on opensuse-support@
on the other hand if you zypper dup in tumbleweed and something breaks
which is likely a bug then rather then reporting it on opensuse-factory@
we would like you to create a bug report.
Sorry if this wasn't clear in the original email.
Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net
Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek
SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30
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