[opensuse-project] Four options for the openSUSE LTS/openSLES initiative currently.

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Boyd Lynn Gerber

8 Sep 2009 8 Sep '09

19:50

There are basically four options. From the new wiki I set up on http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/Overview... They are as follows. 1. openSUSE [4] Server CD Server Edition, somewhat alike the GNOME and KDE media https://features.opensuse.org/305664. 2. openSUSE [5] LTS longer term security and support, community driven complete release. 3. openSUSE [6] LTS subset (a reduced core of openSUSE[7]) with mainly Server SW. 4. openSLES a CentOS equivalent for SLES[8] based on SUSE Linux Enterprise[9]. I see only 1, 3, 4 as really possible given the current people that have said they are willing to work on the options.

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From personal emails to me on options 3 and 4. It currently stands as 23/23. Option 3 could be done on the OBS in league with factory. Option 1 needed a community maintainer/s. As per openFATE.

https://features.opensuse.org/305664 I hope this clears up what I see as the options currently available. [4,5,6,7] http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org [8] http://www.novell.com/products/server/ [9] http://www.novell.com/linux/ Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

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Thomas Hertweck

8 Sep 8 Sep

20:06

Hi! Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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There are basically four options. From the new wiki I set up on

http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/Overview...

They are as follows.

1. openSUSE [4] Server CD

Server Edition, somewhat alike the GNOME and KDE media https://features.opensuse.org/305664.

2. openSUSE [5] LTS longer term security and support, community driven complete release.

3. openSUSE [6] LTS subset (a reduced core of openSUSE[7])

with mainly Server SW.

4. openSLES a CentOS equivalent for SLES[8] based on SUSE Linux Enterprise[9].

I see only 1, 3, 4 as really possible given the current people that have said they are willing to work on the options.

...
From personal emails to me on options 3 and 4. It currently stands as 23/23. Option 3 could be done on the OBS in league with factory. Option 1 needed a community maintainer/s. As per openFATE.

https://features.opensuse.org/305664

I hope this clears up what I see as the options currently available.

I think the options are clear. What isn't clear, at least to me, is the target audience of such a release. The target audience has an influence on what might work best in terms of those options. I guess for people interested in stable servers at home, option 3 sounds good. But how large is this group really? Many home users would also like to have their KDE or GNOME maintained and problems fixed etc - this wouldn't come along with a reduced LTS version. For small-, medium-, or large-size business, option 4 would make much more sense than option 3 as a lot of software is certified for RHEL/SLES only and binary compatibility would be a clear advantage. I personally would vote for option 4 but I am clearly business-driven, no doubt ;) Cheers, Thomas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Jason Perlow

20:25

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My personal preference is for is Option 1, where we package match everything in SLES and or SLED to a similar existing OpenSUSE package. It will be a -functional- clone of SLES/SLED, but it will still be OpenSUSE and will not have the regression or heavy stability testing of a SLES/SLED. We can then "LTS" this "Server" or "Workstation" version of OpenSUSE as it will be a smaller subset of the OpenSUSE codebase and easier to maintain, and use build service and SUSE Studio as a way to make this project a demo or example of how these services can be used. My second preference is for Option 4, a SLES clone. However, if we do this, we are essentially going "wildcat" and will have no support of the OpenSUSE organization or Novell. We will then need infrastructure to build this and someone to sponsor it. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Thomas Hertweck wrote:

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Hi!

Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

...
There are basically four options. From the new wiki I set up on

http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/Overview...

They are as follows.

1. openSUSE [4] Server CD

Server Edition, somewhat alike the GNOME and KDE media https://features.opensuse.org/305664.

2. openSUSE [5] LTS longer term security and support, community driven complete release.

3. openSUSE [6] LTS subset (a reduced core of openSUSE[7])

with mainly Server SW.

4. openSLES a CentOS equivalent for SLES[8] based on SUSE Linux Enterprise[9].

I see only 1, 3, 4 as really possible given the current people that have said they are willing to work on the options.

...
From personal emails to me on options 3 and 4. It currently stands as 23/23. Option 3 could be done on the OBS in league with factory. Option 1 needed a community maintainer/s. As per openFATE.

https://features.opensuse.org/305664

I hope this clears up what I see as the options currently available.

I think the options are clear. What isn't clear, at least to me, is the target audience of such a release. The target audience has an influence on what might work best in terms of those options. I guess for people interested in stable servers at home, option 3 sounds good. But how large is this group really? Many home users would also like to have their KDE or GNOME maintained and problems fixed etc - this wouldn't come along with a reduced LTS version. For small-, medium-, or large-size business, option 4 would make much more sense than option 3 as a lot of software is certified for RHEL/SLES only and binary compatibility would be a clear advantage. I personally would vote for option 4 but I am clearly business-driven, no doubt ;)

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Greg Freemyer

21:28

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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There are basically four options. From the new wiki I set up on

http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/Overview...

They are as follows.

1. openSUSE [4] Server CD

Server Edition, somewhat alike the GNOME and KDE media https://features.opensuse.org/305664.

2. openSUSE [5] LTS longer term security and support, community driven complete release.

3. openSUSE [6] LTS subset (a reduced core of openSUSE[7])

with mainly Server SW.

4. openSLES a CentOS equivalent for SLES[8] based on SUSE Linux Enterprise[9].

I see only 1, 3, 4 as really possible given the current people that have said they are willing to work on the options.

From personal emails to me on options 3 and 4. It currently stands as 23/23. Option 3 could be done on the OBS in league with factory. Option 1 needed a community maintainer/s. As per openFATE.

https://features.opensuse.org/305664

I hope this clears up what I see as the options currently available.

[4,5,6,7] http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org [8] http://www.novell.com/products/server/ [9] http://www.novell.com/linux/

Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --

I would like to see option 1 & 3 combined into one. ie. OpenSuse Server CD with LTS support. No KDE, No Gnome, (No audio!) just enough of a gui to help the home user / small bus. server run web-yast, etc. After all, if it is going to be option 3, you will need a way to tag items as part of the LTS support system. That seems to me to mean unique yast repositories I'm afraid. ie. If I install from the Server CD, then run yast I would only want LTS supported packages to be offered to me. If I choose to install a package from the normal OpenSUSE repos or OBS, then I know right then that I'm losing my LTS setup. So if option 3 is going to require all of that, then it seems appropriate to make it a full new OpenSUSE Server LTS Distro. For the first 18 months, the security patches just get imported from opensuse and for the rest of the support timeframe the community less Novell provides the security patches directly. I don't think you need to offer this with every Opensuse release, but maybe every other one, or even every third one. After all server functionality does not change near as fast as desktop functionality. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Jason Perlow

21:44

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From an option 1 standpoint It would be a lot easier just to package match what is in SLE with a subset from OpenSUSE than to make arbitrary choices of what packages to include or not to include. The end user can then decide from what is on that install media what they want to install or not. If SLE gives a minimal UI option we should give the exact same options on OpenSUSE Server/LTS as well.

What is in SLE and is installable is a known quantity, we know what packages are in it. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

...
There are basically four options. From the new wiki I set up on

http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/Overview...

They are as follows.

1. openSUSE [4] Server CD

Server Edition, somewhat alike the GNOME and KDE media https://features.opensuse.org/305664.

2. openSUSE [5] LTS longer term security and support, community driven complete release.

3. openSUSE [6] LTS subset (a reduced core of openSUSE[7])

with mainly Server SW.

4. openSLES a CentOS equivalent for SLES[8] based on SUSE Linux Enterprise[9].

I see only 1, 3, 4 as really possible given the current people that have said they are willing to work on the options.

From personal emails to me on options 3 and 4. It currently stands as 23/23. Option 3 could be done on the OBS in league with factory. Option 1 needed a community maintainer/s. As per openFATE.

https://features.opensuse.org/305664

I hope this clears up what I see as the options currently available.

[4,5,6,7] http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org [8] http://www.novell.com/products/server/ [9] http://www.novell.com/linux/

Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --

I would like to see option 1 & 3 combined into one.

ie. OpenSuse Server CD with LTS support. No KDE, No Gnome, (No audio!) just enough of a gui to help the home user / small bus. server run web-yast, etc.

After all, if it is going to be option 3, you will need a way to tag items as part of the LTS support system. That seems to me to mean unique yast repositories I'm afraid.

ie. If I install from the Server CD, then run yast I would only want LTS supported packages to be offered to me. If I choose to install a package from the normal OpenSUSE repos or OBS, then I know right then that I'm losing my LTS setup.

So if option 3 is going to require all of that, then it seems appropriate to make it a full new OpenSUSE Server LTS Distro. For the first 18 months, the security patches just get imported from opensuse and for the rest of the support timeframe the community less Novell provides the security patches directly.

I don't think you need to offer this with every Opensuse release, but maybe every other one, or even every third one. After all server functionality does not change near as fast as desktop functionality.

Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html

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Karsten König

21:53

Heya There was a call for help to create a support / patch team where community members are to take part, why not include them in this LTS idea, come forward with help there and on the other hand make a deal that the SUSE security team keeps the group posted about security issues in server based software and links to fixes? Grüße, Karsten Am Dienstag, 8. September 2009 23:28:17 schrieb Greg Freemyer:

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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

...
There are basically four options. From the new wiki I set up on

http://www.zenez.com/mediawiki/openSLE-openSUSE_LTS-wiki/index.php5/Overv iew_of_Initiative

They are as follows.

1. openSUSE [4] Server CD

Server Edition, somewhat alike the GNOME and KDE media https://features.opensuse.org/305664.

2. openSUSE [5] LTS longer term security and support, community driven complete release.

3. openSUSE [6] LTS subset (a reduced core of openSUSE[7])

with mainly Server SW.

4. openSLES a CentOS equivalent for SLES[8] based on SUSE Linux Enterprise[9].

I see only 1, 3, 4 as really possible given the current people that have said they are willing to work on the options.

From personal emails to me on options 3 and 4. It currently stands as 23/23. Option 3 could be done on the OBS in league with factory. Option 1 needed a community maintainer/s. As per openFATE.

https://features.opensuse.org/305664

I hope this clears up what I see as the options currently available.

[4,5,6,7] http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org [8] http://www.novell.com/products/server/ [9] http://www.novell.com/linux/

Thanks, -- Boyd Gerber 801 849-0213 ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --

I would like to see option 1 & 3 combined into one.

ie. OpenSuse Server CD with LTS support. No KDE, No Gnome, (No audio!) just enough of a gui to help the home user / small bus. server run web-yast, etc.

After all, if it is going to be option 3, you will need a way to tag items as part of the LTS support system. That seems to me to mean unique yast repositories I'm afraid.

ie. If I install from the Server CD, then run yast I would only want LTS supported packages to be offered to me. If I choose to install a package from the normal OpenSUSE repos or OBS, then I know right then that I'm losing my LTS setup.

So if option 3 is going to require all of that, then it seems appropriate to make it a full new OpenSUSE Server LTS Distro. For the first 18 months, the security patches just get imported from opensuse and for the rest of the support timeframe the community less Novell provides the security patches directly.

I don't think you need to offer this with every Opensuse release, but maybe every other one, or even every third one. After all server functionality does not change near as fast as desktop functionality.

Greg

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