[opensuse-project] About opensuse-gsoc, mentors and proposals
I wrote five proposals for opensuse in gsoc. I published a brief summary of the proposals right here and sit expecting feedback and mentors. My bad. My mistake. I was too dreamy and walking on the clouds. I got a few lines of feedback to my easy yast proposal, but nothing else. Until yesterday when I was told on a comment on a proposal that I needed to elaborate more on implementations matters. That bother me. Because the process as I understood it was me + other people, debate and ideas and then final draft. To elaborate without any discussion or contact other than unidirectional comments is not simple without mind reading abilities. I made the proposals short and simple to read, leaving out details until I got more feedback and could refine them. I have many ideas between simple/traditional to radical. I made my proposals deliberately short for the sake of brevity and simplicity. And also made short for flexibility. To start with a "from where do we start and how far are we going to go" approach. A fresh start. It is opinion that the process is not transparent enough. Not because of obscurity, but because of distance. Perhaps my proposals are poor and without merit. Perhaps my approach and expectations from the process and the community were set to high. Perhaps I got it all wrong all the way. But a the very least I would like to know if that were the case. Sorry for any broken grammar/english. Its 4:34AM and I have to finish some other things and prepare to travel. It's Semana Santa holidays on my country and that means I'm out of the net until at best saturday, at worst monday. I would like to know your opinions by then if possible. Thanks for your time. Ricardo Cornet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi Ricardo, Thanks for the email. On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Ricardo Cornet <rcornet@gmail.com> wrote:
I got a few lines of feedback to my easy yast proposal, but nothing else. Until yesterday when I was told on a comment on a proposal that I needed to elaborate more on implementations matters.
That bother me. Because the process as I understood it was me + other people, debate and ideas and then final draft. To elaborate without any discussion or contact other than unidirectional comments is not simple without mind reading abilities.
I appreciate the position you're taking, but just like everyone else - the people who are working as mentors for openSUSE are fairly busy. You need to meet them halfway. I've looked at the proposal you're referring to, and it's a single sentence -- not giving the mentor anything to go on. Generally, the effort shown by a student at the beginning of the program mirrors the effort put out through the rest of the summer. Being unwilling to go into at least a bit of detail about the implementation isn't particularly comforting. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb@zonker.net> openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi, your email received two replies: one from Michael Loffler and another from Cornelius Schumacher. Michael put you in touch with two other guys to discuss one of your proposals (porting to ARM platform) and Cornelius commented on the GSOC web app. Did you contact them to discuss more of your proposals? Probably your experience can be useful as feedback for you and for student for future GSOC editions, so that they can actually prepare proposals with the required level of detail, and also for openSUSE-gsoc organisation, so to make sure that the process is clear. However, as a suggestion, next time if you have doubts about the process or you think you're not getting replies, just ask again and insist. ;-) Good luck for next year. Best, A. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:
Hi Ricardo,
Thanks for the email.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Ricardo Cornet <rcornet@gmail.com> wrote:
I got a few lines of feedback to my easy yast proposal, but nothing else. Until yesterday when I was told on a comment on a proposal that I needed to elaborate more on implementations matters.
That bother me. Because the process as I understood it was me + other people, debate and ideas and then final draft. To elaborate without any discussion or contact other than unidirectional comments is not simple without mind reading abilities.
I appreciate the position you're taking, but just like everyone else - the people who are working as mentors for openSUSE are fairly busy. You need to meet them halfway. I've looked at the proposal you're referring to, and it's a single sentence -- not giving the mentor anything to go on.
Well, the way I originally understood it.. There would been some dialog so I could expand it later. Now I know that I have to present an almost finished project from the start. For the relative silence on the mailing list I also assumed at first that there were very few mentors and none of them interested. Generating just a couple of interested messages, but not from mentors. I interpreted Cornelius Schumacher message more as an support message than an invitation to debate the implementation of the simple yast proposal. Also about Michael Löffler message to get in touch with Marek and Martin, I thought that it might be rude to contact them directly, since the mailing list serve the purpose of general communication and I know of many people who takes very seriously whatever get to their inbox. And if they were interested they would either reply or be on the opensuse-soc channel on freenode. So to summarize my mistakes: 1) Too many stupid preconceptions. 2) I was too timid to push on the subject to get to all possible interested parties. I hopes this serves as a lesson to whoever might be looking in the future.
Generally, the effort shown by a student at the beginning of the program mirrors the effort put out through the rest of the summer. Being unwilling to go into at least a bit of detail about the implementation isn't particularly comforting.
Best,
Zonker
I thought that the implementation would be decided after meeting potential mentors and some discussion, since the implementation is something very specific. An awful mistake. I recently exhanged mails with Coly Li and expanded my ideas on the mips opensuse-port implementation and he says that he likes the more explicits ideas and is a pity that I did not put them before on the proposal page since the deadline for mentors and students proposals choice is april 15. For me is 2 days, but for many people it surely came sooner. Thanks. I appreciate your response. Ricardo Cornet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
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