Re: [opensuse-project] BTW
In-Reply-To: <CAABAGrX_tmu4jQPUAE6iU8Ai-M5_Kkn5WtxX+Xp0tG2PZbrENQ@mail.gmail.com> On 02/09/12 at 10:54pm, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Koushik Kumar Nundy <kknundy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 February 2012 02:26, Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> wrote:
If I don't reply to mails in the next hours - I'm attempting an in-place upgrade of my 32-bit system to 64. Just to see if Zypper et all. like me :D
Please document the process. I would like to do something like that on my Li-f-e box too.
My advice: don't.
Ok, I managed, but only with an openSUSE DVD and quite a few hours of un-breaking my system ;-)
The idea is that you first do the kernel, than reboot, do zypper/rpm/etc and the rest. But after doing the kernel it missed the modules to mount my root so game over there...
Interesting, I have done it many times with no side effects as yet. I start with editing /etc/zypp/zypp.conf where it describes the architecture which is normally autodetected there I put x86_64 then run zypper ref followed by zypper dup and finaly reboot with 64. Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 10/02/2012 00:24, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
Interesting, I have done it many times with no side effects as yet. I start with editing /etc/zypp/zypp.conf where it describes the architecture which is normally autodetected there I put x86_64 then run zypper ref followed by zypper dup and finaly reboot with 64.
seems very good. Is this documented on the wiki? if not can you build a SDB page? I'm sure many people will be interested! thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 09:07 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 10/02/2012 00:24, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
Interesting, I have done it many times with no side effects as yet. I start with editing /etc/zypp/zypp.conf where it describes the architecture which is normally autodetected there I put x86_64 then run zypper ref followed by zypper dup and finaly reboot with 64.
seems very good. Is this documented on the wiki? if not can you build a SDB page? I'm sure many people will be interested!
thanks jdd
Oops just to make it complete I also have the following in my /etc/zypp/zypp.conf commit.downloadMode = DownloadInAdvance This way if there is a problem with the mirrors or with network I make sure all the packages are actually downloaded before the install process starts Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday, February 10, 2012 17:41:39 Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
On 02/10/2012 09:07 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 10/02/2012 00:24, Togan Muftuoglu a écrit :
Interesting, I have done it many times with no side effects as yet. I start with editing /etc/zypp/zypp.conf where it describes the architecture which is normally autodetected there I put x86_64 then run zypper ref followed by zypper dup and finaly reboot with 64.
seems very good. Is this documented on the wiki? if not can you build a SDB page? I'm sure many people will be interested!
thanks jdd
Oops just to make it complete I also have the following in my /etc/zypp/zypp.conf
commit.downloadMode = DownloadInAdvance
This way if there is a problem with the mirrors or with network I make sure all the packages are actually downloaded before the install process starts
The interesting thing is that this is the approach I wanted to take but AJ (I BLAME HIM) told me it's a bad idea: he was afraid RPM and other core stuff would get updated at some point in the process and as the 64 bit binary wouldn't run on the 32bit system, the upgrade would break and leave the system in an un-boot-able state.
Togan
On 10.02.2012 00:24, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
In-Reply-To: <CAABAGrX_tmu4jQPUAE6iU8Ai-M5_Kkn5WtxX+Xp0tG2PZbrENQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 02/09/12 at 10:54pm, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Koushik Kumar Nundy <kknundy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 February 2012 02:26, Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> wrote:
If I don't reply to mails in the next hours - I'm attempting an in-place upgrade of my 32-bit system to 64. Just to see if Zypper et all. like me :D
Please document the process. I would like to do something like that on my Li-f-e box too.
My advice: don't.
Ok, I managed, but only with an openSUSE DVD and quite a few hours of un-breaking my system ;-)
The idea is that you first do the kernel, than reboot, do zypper/rpm/etc and the rest. But after doing the kernel it missed the modules to mount my root so game over there... Interesting, I have done it many times with no side effects as yet. I start with editing /etc/zypp/zypp.conf where it describes the architecture which is normally autodetected there I put x86_64 then run zypper ref followed by zypper dup and finaly reboot with 64.
Togan
Do you think this also works from x86_64 to i586? thanks, --kdl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 17:20 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
On 10.02.2012 00:24, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
In-Reply-To: <CAABAGrX_tmu4jQPUAE6iU8Ai-M5_Kkn5WtxX+Xp0tG2PZbrENQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 02/09/12 at 10:54pm, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Koushik Kumar Nundy <kknundy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 February 2012 02:26, Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> wrote:
If I don't reply to mails in the next hours - I'm attempting an in-place upgrade of my 32-bit system to 64. Just to see if Zypper et all. like me :D
Please document the process. I would like to do something like that on my Li-f-e box too.
My advice: don't.
Ok, I managed, but only with an openSUSE DVD and quite a few hours of un-breaking my system ;-)
The idea is that you first do the kernel, than reboot, do zypper/rpm/etc and the rest. But after doing the kernel it missed the modules to mount my root so game over there... Interesting, I have done it many times with no side effects as yet. I start with editing /etc/zypp/zypp.conf where it describes the architecture which is normally autodetected there I put x86_64 then run zypper ref followed by zypper dup and finaly reboot with 64.
Togan
Do you think this also works from x86_64 to i586?
thanks, --kdl
If there are things to document, we should add it to http://upgrade.opensuse.org. Much of what we've pointed out on this thread on how to do upgrades is already mentioned on this page. But as always, it needs to be regularly polished. In fact, looking at it right now, I see 12.1 is not listed as one of the "tested" versions. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 10.02.2012 17:08, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 17:20 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
On 10.02.2012 00:24, Togan Muftuoglu wrote:
In-Reply-To: <CAABAGrX_tmu4jQPUAE6iU8Ai-M5_Kkn5WtxX+Xp0tG2PZbrENQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 02/09/12 at 10:54pm, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:27 AM, Koushik Kumar Nundy <kknundy@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 February 2012 02:26, Jos Poortvliet <jos@opensuse.org> wrote:
If I don't reply to mails in the next hours - I'm attempting an in-place upgrade of my 32-bit system to 64. Just to see if Zypper et all. like me :D
Please document the process. I would like to do something like that on my Li-f-e box too.
My advice: don't.
Ok, I managed, but only with an openSUSE DVD and quite a few hours of un-breaking my system ;-)
The idea is that you first do the kernel, than reboot, do zypper/rpm/etc and the rest. But after doing the kernel it missed the modules to mount my root so game over there... Interesting, I have done it many times with no side effects as yet. I start with editing /etc/zypp/zypp.conf where it describes the architecture which is normally autodetected there I put x86_64 then run zypper ref followed by zypper dup and finaly reboot with 64.
Togan
Do you think this also works from x86_64 to i586?
thanks, --kdl
If there are things to document, we should add it to http://upgrade.opensuse.org. Much of what we've pointed out on this thread on how to do upgrades is already mentioned on this page. But as always, it needs to be regularly polished.
In fact, looking at it right now, I see 12.1 is not listed as one of the "tested" versions.
Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Project
a 12.1 test machine for my experiment is already installing I'll report ASAP. thanks, --kdl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, Am Freitag, 10. Februar 2012 schrieb Bryen M Yunashko:
If there are things to document, we should add it to http://upgrade.opensuse.org.
I'd recommend NOT to mention the 32bit -> 64bit upgrade there. Yes, I tried it myself once ;-) and it included a version upgrade (11.1 -> 12.1 IIRC) to make it even more interesting. I don't remember all details, so let me just say that it was quite funny[tm] and is definitively something for people who know what they are doing[tm]. IIRC I ended up with booting an installation DVD, switching to tty1, mounting the harddisk and using zypper --root /mountpoint dup In other words: Don't try this at home ;-) (but maybe it would be fun to do a contest on it at osc12...) Back to the wiki page - IMHO it should still be valid for 12.1. However, I did not add "tested on 12.1" because I never do direct upgrades from one release to the next - there are too many milestones in between ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- Und jetzt sei ein lieber Hase und hoppel irgendwohin, wo man knuddelige, fluffige kleine Dinger wie Dich in den Arm nimmt und lieb hat. [Robin S. Socha - d.c.o.u.l.m.] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 10/02/2012 20:06, Christian Boltz a écrit :
In other words: Don't try this at home ;-)
somebody seems to have a clean way to do this, have to be documented after tests jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 20:11 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 10/02/2012 20:06, Christian Boltz a écrit :
In other words: Don't try this at home ;-)
somebody seems to have a clean way to do this, have to be documented after tests
jdd
Documented yes. But we also need to work on making that page simpler and friendlier for the masses. It's starting to become a rather unfriendly page as it is. Perhaps use upgrade.opensuse.org to do a very simple hand-holding walk-through scenario that fits the most average non-expert user, and then add a link in that page "For more expert options, see here" to another page that can have all the amazing different scenarios and whatnot. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
Le 10/02/2012 20:16, Bryen M Yunashko a écrit :
simple hand-holding walk-through scenario that fits the most average non-expert user, and then add a link in that page "For more expert options, see here" to another page that can have all the amazing different scenarios and whatnot.
yes jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/12 at 08:11pm, jdd wrote:
Le 10/02/2012 20:06, Christian Boltz a écrit :
In other words: Don't try this at home ;-)
somebody seems to have a clean way to do this, have to be documented after tests
I tend to go with the suggestion of Christian and therefore I have not entered in to the wiki. I also, like Christian, have done upgrades from 11.1 to 12.1 as well ( but I cheated with upgrading to milestone in the between ;) and lots of devel repos being used also) yet the question is when something goes of then one has to know enough to recover from the situation. For the newcomers I do not think that is the best solution. They should follow the distro recommended ways until they gain sufficient knowledge of the system Togan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 08:11:16PM +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 10/02/2012 20:06, Christian Boltz a écrit :
In other words: Don't try this at home ;-)
somebody seems to have a clean way to do this, have to be documented after tests
There is no 'clean', 'simple', or 'easy' way of doing a shift from a 32 to a 64 bit install while the system is in operation. You can do it half way clean remotly by booting the 64bit install initrd and kernel. Then your 32bit root fs isn't found and you have to tell YaST to show all partitions and select the one in question. This is the very short version. You have to deal with your network configuration and have to be aware that the existing ssh keys aren't used (yes, the feature request to allow the usage of an existing ssh key got filed some time back; I consider this more and more less important as this might already be scriptable for enhanced users and we have AutoYaST). Not to talk about potential migration issues with data used and served by daemons. Oh well, there are many other ways to get a working 64bit libzypp stack. And all offer multiple pitfalls to get lost. We have 75834 open issues and a lot of missing documentation. Why not working on the more important and even more obvious stuff? Trying a move from 32 to 64 bit or from libc5 to libc6 while the system is live offers many learning opportunities. But these aren't things we should waste our valueable main project time for. And this is nothing we should lead our users via the wiki to! Risk³. Instead stay focussed and have a nice weekend. ;) Cheers, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 22:16 +0100, Lars Müller wrote:
We have 75834 open issues and a lot of missing documentation. Why not working on the more important and even more obvious stuff?
Valid point. Though people tend to focus on issues they see immediately relevant in front of them. Thus, what is deemed "more important" by some may not be the case for others, not by actual importance but by obviousness to themselves. Maybe a solution to getting things that *should be higher priority* is to come up with an actual prioritization list? I think people tend to react more efficiently that way. I'd be curious to see if we could somehow group the 75,834 open issues that are low-hanging fruits we can quickly take a stab at. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1202102215290.12834@Telcontar.valinor> On Friday, 2012-02-10 at 20:11 +0100, jdd wrote:
Le 10/02/2012 20:06, Christian Boltz a écrit :
In other words: Don't try this at home ;-)
somebody seems to have a clean way to do this, have to be documented after tests
I did it sucessfully with 11.4. I do not recommend a live upgrade (zypper dup) but an offline upgrade (dvd, boot, choose "upgrade"). I did comment about it. It is not a supported scenario, so said Kulow time ago. The subject was talked about here: |> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:45:22 +0100 |> From: Carlos E. R. <> |> To: os-fctry <opensuse-factory@opensuse.org> |> Subject: [opensuse-factory] Is the upgrade from 32 bits to 64 bit supported? Question for devs O:-) By the way, the offline upgrade method is not even mentioned in http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade. I'm thinking on adding a note somewhere in there, but not sure where exactly. Suggestions? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk81iX4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WSEACfV0AyeX9vtQuKJvKSyrHbEDEi NQ8An2GuNQ5GQJZ4KBqVw4z2/DVjDIIW =rWRt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-02-10 22:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
By the way, the offline upgrade method is not even mentioned in http://en.opensuse.org/Upgrade. I'm thinking on adding a note somewhere in there, but not sure where exactly. Suggestions?
I have started writing the article already (http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Offline_upgrade). I'm open for comments, but it is not yet finished, it will take time. I need to prepare a virtual setup in which to check the steps as I write. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk814E0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxomwQCfbUSyutaZjTU2VYFuUcKM9Td4 C80AnR8N/0gkeQoqDrZT3fCoFvGhYciy =Eote -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
If someone is interested in writing such an article on the wiki, for what ever reason, a tutorial about how to keep .thunderbird, .firefox and .kde files and install a fresh system. This would be very interesting and really help people. thanks in advance, --kdl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2012-02-13 at 18:58 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
If someone is interested in writing such an article on the wiki, for what ever reason, a tutorial about how to keep .thunderbird, .firefox and .kde files and install a fresh system. This would be very interesting and really help people.
The article on offline upgrading already exists in draft form, and the architecture upgrade is mentioned. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk853UcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WDDwCfUu2jnul2AioTao48fSqCqTRC 3kEAoIMzKusllPR7Zhq2TM1gy0lP7Xyy =RLyG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
On 02/10/2012 05:20 PM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Togan
Do you think this also works from x86_64 to i586?
Can't tell I never did that way maybe it would work -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org
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Bryen M Yunashko -
Carlos E. R. -
Christian Boltz -
jdd -
Jos Poortvliet -
Kim Leyendecker -
Lars Müller -
Togan Muftuoglu