[opensuse-project] How to name our releases?
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases. openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number). Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015. Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014 Anything else I should add to the list above? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 11. März 2011 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Anything else I should add to the list above? I suggest to do the poll in two rounds: first list all obscure options there are and in the next round only include those that got >80% of the winner. Of course if there is only one, the second round can be removed.
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On Friday 11 March 2011 09:34:14 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020
Isn't that maybe a bit too techy?
7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Sounds cute and is no rip off from the other ones.
Anything else I should add to the list above?
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Am Freitag, 11. März 2011 schrieb Karsten König:
Isn't that maybe a bit too techy?
That's why we don't want a discussion but a poll. If the majority likes techy, we should take techy. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 11 March 2011 03:59:40 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Freitag, 11. März 2011 schrieb Karsten König:
Isn't that maybe a bit too techy?
That's why we don't want a discussion but a poll. If the majority likes techy, we should take techy.
Greetings, Stephan
I agree that a vote is probably the best solution. Still, if this gets decided outside of a formal vote - I'd like to see something along the lines of Mandriva or Ubuntu. That is to say, a numbering system that conveys meaningful information! One of the things that endears me to openSUSE is that it is typically run in a purposeful, pragmatic fashion. Releases tend to feature only calculated 'risk' - FF 4 beta? Yes. Systemd? Technical Preview. I hope that our version numbering is also changed to something purposeful and pragmatic. Of the various proposals, a date-based system best fulfills this goal. Similarly, if we do adopt a date-based system - please avoid seasons for the same reason. "Spring 2011" is ~April 2011 in Germany - but ~September 2011 in South Africa. Refilwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 11.03.2011 20:25, schrieb Refilwe Seete:
Similarly, if we do adopt a date-based system - please avoid seasons for the same reason. "Spring 2011" is ~April 2011 in Germany - but ~September 2011 in South Africa.
Yes, this is the point why 2011.0 and 2011.1 is the better choice like Mandriva. But we´re not Mandriva or Ubuntu or Mint or Fedora or what ever, we´re openSUSE. Maybe it´s better for our "way we are" to stay with the current version scheme What do you think? thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 11/03/2011 20:27, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :
What do you think?
we need a system that can be understood by anybody, specially non openSUSE (think hosting services, journalists, newcommers, other distributions users...). clearly the present system is not understood, neither between us.. and publicise the codename should be a good idea as surname, only in the project, not for external use jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 11 March 2011 14:27:59 Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 20:25, schrieb Refilwe Seete:
Similarly, if we do adopt a date-based system - please avoid seasons for the same reason. "Spring 2011" is ~April 2011 in Germany - but ~September 2011 in South Africa.
Yes, this is the point why 2011.0 and 2011.1 is the better choice like Mandriva. But we´re not Mandriva or Ubuntu or Mint or Fedora or what ever, we´re openSUSE. Maybe it´s better for our "way we are" to stay with the current version scheme
What do you think?
thanks
Numbering a release 2011.03 provides the reader with useful, accurate information...In this case when it was released. Conversely, naming it openSUSE 11.4 seems to provide useful information but that information is not accurate. The number implies the fourth update of major version 11.0. Alternatively it could be read as an over-truncated date stamp meaning "2011 April" or perhaps "November 2004". Unfortunately, none of these are accurate. Although I understand the need to be a distinct distro, I don't see why we should continue with a confusing numbering system to do so. Certainly our community, development philosophy, unique tools, and brand are enough to keep openSUSE distinct. Besides, in the case of 'YYYY-MM' we are not directly copying any of the other "big 5" distros. We are taking the best idea from Mandriva (full year) and combining it with the best idea from Ubuntu (including the month) to create an optimal solution. Taking the best ideas - regardless of origin - and combining them into a rational, cohesive whole is what we do. Refilwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Refilwe Seete wrote:
Numbering a release 2011.03 provides the reader with useful, accurate information...In this case when it was released.
Or the release# of that year.
Conversely, naming it openSUSE 11.4 seems to provide useful information but that information is not accurate. The number implies the fourth update of major version 11.0.
Only if you (wrongly) assume that we have a major.minor versioning scheme. If you are aware that that is not the case, "11.4" will imply the fourth update of major version 11.0.
Although I understand the need to be a distinct distro, I don't see why we should continue with a confusing numbering system to do so.
Certainly our community, development philosophy, unique tools, and brand are enough to keep openSUSE distinct.
No, not to the end-user we are targetting. Apart from the brand, none of that is important to the end-user. Not even the technically savvy. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 11 March 2011 16:30:00 Per Jessen wrote:
Refilwe Seete wrote:
Numbering a release 2011.03 provides the reader with useful, accurate information...In this case when it was released.
Or the release# of that year.
Even this is more accurate information than the current system provides.
Conversely, naming it openSUSE 11.4 seems to provide useful information but that information is not accurate. The number implies the fourth update of major version 11.0.
Only if you (wrongly) assume that we have a major.minor versioning scheme. If you are aware that that is not the case, "11.4" will imply the fourth update of major version 11.0.
All of the likely 'outsider' assumptions are incorrect. Major.minor, Year-Month, Month-Year... all completely incorrect. Is that a good thing?
Although I understand the need to be a distinct distro, I don't see why we should continue with a confusing numbering system to do so.
Certainly our community, development philosophy, unique tools, and brand are enough to keep openSUSE distinct.
No, not to the end-user we are targetting. Apart from the brand, none of that is important to the end-user. Not even the technically savvy.
I don't completely agree here, but I'll accept your train of thought and ask some questions within its bounds. Would such end-users be helped or informed by a numbering system that does not correlate to anything they are familiar with? Put another way, how does having our current arbitrary numbering system help us with such users? Shouldn't we want to be distinct in meaningful ways (like YaST) rather than obscure, arbitrary ways? We could also distinguish between releases by toying with our capitalization - "Download openSUSe, our newest release and successor to openSUsE" - but that's not a meaningful way of distinguishing ourselves, nor is it helpful to outsiders. Refilwe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Refilwe Seete wrote:
Although I understand the need to be a distinct distro, I don't see why we should continue with a confusing numbering system to do so.
Certainly our community, development philosophy, unique tools, and brand are enough to keep openSUSE distinct.
No, not to the end-user we are targetting. Apart from the brand, none of that is important to the end-user. Not even the technically savvy.
I don't completely agree here, but I'll accept your train of thought and ask some questions within its bounds.
Would such end-users be helped or informed by a numbering system that does not correlate to anything they are familiar with?
Put another way, how does having our current arbitrary numbering system help us with such users?
It doesn't, and I suspect it was never intended to either. Version numbering and release-demarkation has traditionally had two-three primary purposes: 1) marketing 2) support 3) maintenance. 2 and 3 often go hand-in-hand, but I'm not sure how relevant they really are for us. Which leave sus with 1, perhaps also not overly relevant? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 20:25, schrieb Refilwe Seete:
Similarly, if we do adopt a date-based system - please avoid seasons for the same reason. "Spring 2011" is ~April 2011 in Germany - but ~September 2011 in South Africa.
Yes, this is the point why 2011.0 and 2011.1 is the better choice like Mandriva. But we´re not Mandriva or Ubuntu or Mint or Fedora or what ever, we´re openSUSE. Maybe it´s better for our "way we are" to stay with the current version scheme
What do you think?
Personally speaking, I like the current scheme, but then I'm a long-time SuSE Linux user. Like Andreas said "openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so." So I vote for a running scheme, next version being 12, then 13 etc. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
El Viernes, 11 de Marzo de 2011 20:27:59 Kim Leyendecker escribió:
Am 11.03.2011 20:25, schrieb Refilwe Seete:
Similarly, if we do adopt a date-based system - please avoid seasons for the same reason. "Spring 2011" is ~April 2011 in Germany - but ~September 2011 in South Africa.
Yes, this is the point why 2011.0 and 2011.1 is the better choice like Mandriva. But we´re not Mandriva or Ubuntu or Mint or Fedora or what ever, we´re openSUSE. Maybe it´s better for our "way we are" to stay with the current version scheme
What do you think?
+1 I think it's better to stay with the current version scheme. Cheers, -- Javier Llorente
Op 11-03-11 09:52, Karsten König schreef:
On Friday 11 March 2011 09:34:14 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014 Sounds cute and is no rip off from the other ones.
I am not entitled to vote so it will not count, but i like it most of all others.. (why call it somebody elses name anyway?.. but as said.. i am nobody..) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Op 11-03-11 10:56, Oddball schreef:
Op 11-03-11 09:52, Karsten König schreef:
On Friday 11 March 2011 09:34:14 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014 Sounds cute and is no rip off from the other ones.
I am not entitled to vote so it will not count, but i like it most of all others.. (why call it somebody elses name anyway?.. but as said.. i am nobody..)
I did not know there were countries with no seasons! I also did not realize summer is in Northern or southern parts in another month, which is quiet obvious though... 11.1,2,3, would have been most logical as it always has been that way... What is wrong with that anyways? There then only would be one .4, which would always remind at the time this issue was at hand.. The kernels have names, why not automaticly use that name, in combination with the version number? (so with kernel changes, the name would change. (then there would be the struggle who would be in power to 'invent' the name for each kernel..) Than there is the suggestion of let the version be the release year, and with two releases there would be only: .0 and .1 Always making clear first and second release. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 11/03/2011 09:34, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
why use a dash? is it not better with a dot? 2012.07, 2013.03, 2014.11? anyway, thanks for the job, having a structured naming is a must (whatever it will be) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
I will add a few more Maybe something based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species We should be sure that these names are interesting enough Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 09:34, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
why use a dash? is it not better with a dot? 2012.07, 2013.03, 2014.11?
anyway, thanks for the job, having a structured naming is a must (whatever it will be)
jdd
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Am Freitag, 11. März 2011 schrieb Manu Gupta:
I will add a few more
Maybe something
based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species
We should be sure that these names are interesting enough
Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo
A must have - and there is no way around that: it must be clear which version is newer. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 11 March 2011 10:11:15 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Freitag, 11. März 2011 schrieb Manu Gupta:
I will add a few more
Maybe something
based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species
We should be sure that these names are interesting enough
Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo
A must have - and there is no way around that: it must be clear which version is newer.
Obviously openSUSE Luke Skywalker is newer than openSUSE Anakin Skywalker ;-) Jiri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
But we should have a numbering system I missed out on that Also I like Nikanth's idea but with our eight month releases I dont know if it could make a lot of impact What about openSUSE xyz edition v1 , openSUSE xyz edition v2 xyz could be anything ranging from seasons to star wars to anything On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Jiri Srain <jsrain@suse.cz> wrote:
On Friday 11 March 2011 10:11:15 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Freitag, 11. März 2011 schrieb Manu Gupta:
I will add a few more
Maybe something
based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species
We should be sure that these names are interesting enough
Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo
A must have - and there is no way around that: it must be clear which version is newer.
Obviously openSUSE Luke Skywalker is newer than openSUSE Anakin Skywalker ;-)
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:11:15 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Freitag, 11. März 2011 schrieb Manu Gupta:
I will add a few more
Maybe something
based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species
We should be sure that these names are interesting enough
Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo
A must have - and there is no way around that: it must be clear which version is newer.
Yep. We also couldn't use names that are registered trademarks; Lucasfilm is very protective of their copyrights and trademarks, and I expect the other studios would feel the same about us trying to use their brand to further our own. So an additional must would be not to use trademarks we don't own or aren't licensed to use. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
openSUSE can have only 3 active releases and 1 under development at any point of time. So can't we cycle with just 4 names? Might help in google rankings?! ;-) I like "earth", "water", "air" and "fire". We could append the year to be specific, when required like earth.2011, water.2012, air.2012, fire.2013,... Thanks Nikanth
On 3/11/2011 at 02:37 PM, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@gmail.com> wrote: I will add a few more
Maybe something
based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species
We should be sure that these names are interesting enough
Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 09:34, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
why use a dash? is it not better with a dot? 2012.07, 2013.03, 2014.11?
anyway, thanks for the job, having a structured naming is a must (whatever it will be)
jdd
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@gmail.com> wrote:
I will add a few more
Maybe something
based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species
We should be sure that these names are interesting enough
Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo
Lucas Films has sued a couple of people in the past for violating Star Wars intellectual property, being the last known case about light sabers. Though I find some sympathy with such ideas... having the big 'legalese' warriors on our tail isn't really fun. NM
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 09:34, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
why use a dash? is it not better with a dot? 2012.07, 2013.03, 2014.11?
anyway, thanks for the job, having a structured naming is a must (whatever it will be)
jdd
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On Friday, March 11, 2011 09:55:07 AM Nelson Marques wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Manu Gupta <manugupt1@gmail.com> wrote:
I will add a few more
Maybe something
based on Lord of the rings characters, Start Wars, Lizard Species
We should be sure that these names are interesting enough
Something Like openSUSE Luke Skywalker should be awesome or openSUSE Neo
Lucas Films has sued a couple of people in the past for violating Star Wars intellectual property, being the last known case about light sabers.
Though I find some sympathy with such ideas... having the big 'legalese' warriors on our tail isn't really fun.
NM
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 09:34, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
why use a dash? is it not better with a dot? 2012.07, 2013.03, 2014.11?
anyway, thanks for the job, having a structured naming is a must (whatever it will be)
jdd
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Despite movies references make me feel tempted because I am films lover it could make other people excluded about what is going on. And only film nerds (like me) could understand it. OTOH, there is a legal issues could be raise as Nelson already mentioned. In a good understanding movie characters or historical or literature people names who made some impact is a nice idea and keep us educated and trigger a good conversation. But I assume that's not the point. We need something can serve as easy reference and we can associate a Code Name to the numbers to facilitate an easy human memory recall. -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing: openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6 | Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 10:02:23 AM jdd wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 09:34, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month)
Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
why use a dash? is it not better with a dot? 2012.07, 2013.03, 2014.11?
anyway, thanks for the job, having a structured naming is a must (whatever it will be)
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Hi, what about having two parts for the naming. <some string> + <some versioning> actually we already have them the string Celadon for 11.4 iirc all we may have to do is to change the emphasis on what we promote... the technical people can use numbers... the marketing people can use the name... It is easier to catch the attention of the public with some name... I liked coolo's idea with philosophers... metals or scientists... on star wars characters... there are still enough people around (I included) who never saw it... personally I will stay away from using things from any movie franchise. regards, Alin -- I force myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste. -- Marcel Duchamp Without Questions there are no Answers! _____________________________________________________________________ Alin Marin ELENA Advanced Molecular Simulation Research Laboratory School of Physics, University College Dublin ---- Ardionsamblú Móilíneach Saotharlann Taighde Scoil na Fisice, An Coláiste Ollscoile, Baile Átha Cliath ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://alin.elenaworld.net ______________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 11.03.2011 10:21, schrieb Alin Marin Elena:
Hi,
what about having two parts for the naming.
<some string> +<some versioning>
actually we already have them the string Celadon for 11.4 iirc
all we may have to do is to change the emphasis on what we promote... the technical people can use numbers... the marketing people can use the name... It is easier to catch the attention of the public with some name... I liked coolo's idea with philosophers... metals or scientists... on star wars characters... there are still enough people around (I included) who never saw it... personally I will stay away from using things from any movie franchise.
regards, Alin +1 Maybe we shall look at this when we use the major.minor scheme:
* Is the release a milestone for us? Do we have some spectaculary new things? A name is a thing, that´s makes easier for non-technical people and maybe creates a "partnership" to your system. You know what I mean? I think, it´s kind of sympathic when I have a nickname for my system. And when we arrive at 13.x 13.37 is a must have :) thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Alin Marin Elena <alinm.elena@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
what about having two parts for the naming.
<some string> + <some versioning>
actually we already have them the string Celadon for 11.4 iirc
all we may have to do is to change the emphasis on what we promote... the technical people can use numbers... the marketing people can use the name... It is easier to catch the attention of the public with some name... I liked coolo's idea with philosophers... metals or scientists... on star wars characters... there are still enough people around (I included) who never saw it... personally I will stay away from using things from any movie franchise.
We will stay away from movie franchises for sure as I don't believe our sponsors will like to pay royalties for others intellectual property. Besides we are all very huge fans of DMCA... we like them so much that would give them reasons for sending a full battalion of 'legalese' warriors after us, and provide them free advertising. When from a marketing point view, instead of paying them royalties for using their intellectual property, we should be considering doing some money for promoting their stuff ;) I don't think it will ever happen.
regards, Alin
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Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[...] 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 [...] Anything else I should add to the list above?
"Mandriva style variation" or "deterministic old school": YY.counter (2 digit year, counter starts at 0) The next release could be either 11.5 to continue with current counter or just like magazines do it and go for YY+1 (ie 12.0) already near the end of the year. Advantage: 1:1 compatible with current rpm macros cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:59:07 AM Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[...] 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0)
Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1
[...] Anything else I should add to the list above?
"Mandriva style variation" or "deterministic old school": YY.counter (2 digit year, counter starts at 0)
The next release could be either 11.5 to continue with current counter or just like magazines do it and go for YY+1 (ie 12.0) already near the end of the year. Advantage: 1:1 compatible with current rpm macros
Please make one concrete proposal - or two - following my example above. So, let me add the following to my list: "Old school /Mandriva variation": YY.counter (starts at zero) Next release is: 11.5 (otherwise this won't work) Following releases: 12.0, 13.0, 13.1, 14.0, 15.1 thanks, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:59:07 AM Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[...] 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0)
Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1
[...] Anything else I should add to the list above?
"Mandriva style variation" or "deterministic old school": YY.counter (2 digit year, counter starts at 0)
The next release could be either 11.5 to continue with current counter or just like magazines do it and go for YY+1 (ie 12.0) already near the end of the year. Advantage: 1:1 compatible with current rpm macros
Please make one concrete proposal - or two - following my example above.
So, let me add the following to my list: "Old school /Mandriva variation": YY.counter (starts at zero) Next release is: 11.5 (otherwise this won't work) Following releases: 12.0, 13.0, 13.1, 14.0, 15.1
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I said this last time, why change. We are openSUSE we aren't the others. My vote is on 12.0. Names are good for project names, but no will take us serious will use Sci-Fi Names. Might as well call it project Mickey Mouse. We shouldn't change our naming aways, we should just vote on either naming 12.0 or 11.5. It a bit late in the game. I am old school. -- (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 02:00:31 PM Chuck Payne wrote:
[...] My vote is on 12.0.
You can vote for that once we vote ;)
Names are good for project names, but no will take us serious will use Sci-Fi Names. Might as well call it project Mickey Mouse.
We shouldn't change our naming aways, we should just vote on either naming 12.0 or 11.5. It a bit late in the game.
I am old school.
The question remains, how to choose when to go to X.0, I would rather not vote every time again, so I suggested to always go to X.3, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On 03/11/2011 08:00 AM, Chuck Payne wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:59:07 AM Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[...] 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0)
Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1
[...] Anything else I should add to the list above?
"Mandriva style variation" or "deterministic old school": YY.counter (2 digit year, counter starts at 0)
The next release could be either 11.5 to continue with current counter or just like magazines do it and go for YY+1 (ie 12.0) already near the end of the year. Advantage: 1:1 compatible with current rpm macros
Please make one concrete proposal - or two - following my example above.
So, let me add the following to my list: "Old school /Mandriva variation": YY.counter (starts at zero) Next release is: 11.5 (otherwise this won't work) Following releases: 12.0, 13.0, 13.1, 14.0, 15.1
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I said this last time, why change. We are openSUSE we aren't the others.
My vote is on 12.0.
Names are good for project names, but no will take us serious will use Sci-Fi Names. Might as well call it project Mickey Mouse.
Yes, I agree, lets stick to numbers. Setup the survey to decide on the policy of the numbering scheme. If we have names (cute or not) we'll have endless threads on the mailing list for every release about what the next name should be. My $0.02 Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Novell-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rschweikert@novell.com rschweikert@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 Novell Making IT Work As One -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
I've summarized the responses I got so far and blogged about it as well: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2011/03/11/how-to-name-the-distribution-releases... andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:59:07 AM Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[...] 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0)
Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1
[...] Anything else I should add to the list above?
"Mandriva style variation" or "deterministic old school": YY.counter (2 digit year, counter starts at 0)
The next release could be either 11.5 to continue with current counter or just like magazines do it and go for YY+1 (ie 12.0) already near the end of the year. Advantage: 1:1 compatible with current rpm macros
Please make one concrete proposal - or two - following my example above.
Your list lacks the information how to map the "marketing version" to %suse_version. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Personally i like the 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 Though i think that the count must be shortened to 2 versions. Every year we will have 2 versions of the same project number. Example: 12.0 , 12.1 , 13.0 , 13.1 But i also loved the idea of Star Wars and Nature elements. As you can see i used for the greek Release Party a Star Wars quote "Join the Geeko Force". I think movies and generally well known names or situations from movies are good for promoting our versions and release parties and in general our job. Link to our poster: http://opensuseambassadors.blogspot.com/2011/03/thessaloniki-114-launch-part... -- George Bratsos http://en.opensuse.org/User:Etern4L http://amb.opensuse.gr http://own.opensuse.gr http://www.linuxteam.cs.teilar.gr http://etern4l.wordpress.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 02:22:02 PM Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:59:07 AM Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
[...] 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0)
Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1
[...] Anything else I should add to the list above?
"Mandriva style variation" or "deterministic old school": YY.counter (2 digit year, counter starts at 0)
The next release could be either 11.5 to continue with current counter or just like magazines do it and go for YY+1 (ie 12.0) already near the end of the year. Advantage: 1:1 compatible with current rpm macros
Please make one concrete proposal - or two - following my example above.
Your list lacks the information how to map the "marketing version" to %suse_version.
I see for all of them a trivial way to do it, the exception is the seasons but even there we can say Spring = 1,etc and then have Spring 2011 = 201110. Right now 11.4 has suseversion 1140, for the Mandriva style, a 2011.1 release could be 201110, for the octal one, 012 would be 1200. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2011-03-11 at 13:23 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Please make one concrete proposal - or two - following my example above.
So, let me add the following to my list: "Old school /Mandriva variation": YY.counter (starts at zero)
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On Mar 11, 11 11:59:07 +0100, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Anything else I should add to the list above?
"Mandriva style variation" or "deterministic old school": YY.counter (2 digit year, counter starts at 0)
The next release could be either 11.5 to continue with current counter or just like magazines do it and go for YY+1 (ie 12.0) already near the end of the year. Advantage: 1:1 compatible with current rpm macros
This also works well with seasons. We could actually migrate the rpm macro to a proper Year-Month pattern. Spring 2011 is somewhere around April 2011, thus written as to 1140 in the rpm macros. Autumn 2011 could be written as 1190, if it was released around September. YYM0 would be the temporary 'compatibility pattern' used in 2011, from next year on, we could use YYMM. Oh, thinking of 2-digit months.... ... I'd like to suggest to add one rule to the seasons option: Avoid Winter. A year starts and ends with Winter. That is ambiguous. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> wrote:
This also works well with seasons. We could actually migrate the rpm macro to a proper Year-Month pattern.
Spring 2011 is somewhere around April 2011, thus written as to 1140 in the rpm macros. Autumn 2011 could be written as 1190, if it was released around September. YYM0 would be the temporary 'compatibility pattern' used in 2011, from next year on, we could use YYMM. Oh, thinking of 2-digit months....
... I'd like to suggest to add one rule to the seasons option: Avoid Winter. A year starts and ends with Winter. That is ambiguous.
I don't think using season is a good option. We have only 2 seasons here in South East Asia :-) . It would make sense if openSUSE release every 4 month ;-) I would go with Ubuntu style with small difference (YYYY.MM instead of YY.MM) or stick with current old-school. Yes, I know it's under discussion and at the end we should go with poll, just share what I'm thinking while reading AJ post. -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com Excellent Infotama Kreasindo : http://www.vavai.biz /************************************************************/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 03:34:14 AM Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
Andreas
Considering this subject comes regularly and seems like there is no satisfaction the way we name our release. There is no minor major logic to keep versions. I wouldn't like follow the same way other do because they don't have a better way or impacting way to name a release . Linux moves by regular incremental improvements and not jumping to break something. I suggest something simpler. We have the 11 now. That's mean nothing else than a numbering sequence AFAIK. So, we can keep the 11 number by the rest of the year. Next year we can start with 12 as reference to 2012 and adding the month number release. So if we release on march 2012 our first release will be 12.03 and the next release will be September, so it will be 12.06. It is easy to rembember and to make references when is needed. It is not need to look an historical table or timetable to know when it was released. It gives us the year and the month it was released. No confusion at all. We already have the 2 first digits sequence coming from long time and I don't think we are going to change the whole sequence to fix this. So, at least we are jumping to major changes we could just change the digits behind the dot. We should make an announcenment to settle out there when this will start to rule and write it for historical references of these changes. Best, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6 | Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 03:34:14 AM Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
Andreas
There is another option too. I would call it the tree digit pairs sequence. First 2 digits makes refernce to the year: i.e. 2012=12 Second 2 digits makes reference to the active lifecycle sequence or the month the product support comes to the end, i.e.1, 2, 3 (our lifecycle is each 3rd issue one will go out). This is just in case we want it incluede and to make reference to our Lifetime or Lifecycle product. If we would like this.And yes, we need a convenient reference point. See below. Third 2 digits makes reference to the month it was released: i.e.: March=03, September=09 Beginning from fresh start and following the above idea. Just as excercizing sample and assuming 11.3 will finish on January we would call it 11.5.07 (Year. End of support month. Release date) and the next release would be openSUSE 11.xx, 11. Next year 12.xx.08 and go so. So we would need a fresh start in 2012. Best, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6 | Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0
Looks nice, it's something people are familiar with, requires no changes and we get to keep our identity. I think this is cool.
2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15
Though we have a longer release cycle, eventually could make people believe we're staying behind. Dubbed Fedora 'copy cats' isn't really cool. On the long run... we will stay behind and I'm wondering what it will trigger on users perceptions.
3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1
If we could extend our release to one year, this could be a very interesting option. In 9 months cycles, I'm not really sure we would have something cool coming out of this.
4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03
Not something I like.
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
A mix of Mandriva and Ubuntu... way too complex and most people will not get it, plus enourmous efforts to rely on Marketing.
6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020
I don't think many users will like this. It's at least strange.
7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
Yes please... No numbers, just a code name. Forget the movies and other intellectual property... I would probably use Norse Mythology which is a testament to our German roots... Something like: openSUSE Freya, openSUSE Balder, openSUSE Wooden, openSUSE Thor, etc. We could get names for many releases... being my favourite: openSUSE Valhalla :) Or any other theme free of DMCA/Intellectual Rights. And we could keep the numbers as internal management only. For example to continue manage our versioning through OBS/Zypper. This kind of solution would differenciate us from all the other distributions, would eventually not confuse users and better, would allow very interesting choices for artwork and marketing matherials. Just a thought... NM
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On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 15:07 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0
Looks nice, it's something people are familiar with, requires no changes and we get to keep our identity. I think this is cool.
2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15
Though we have a longer release cycle, eventually could make people believe we're staying behind. Dubbed Fedora 'copy cats' isn't really cool. On the long run... we will stay behind and I'm wondering what it will trigger on users perceptions.
3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1
If we could extend our release to one year, this could be a very interesting option. In 9 months cycles, I'm not really sure we would have something cool coming out of this.
4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03
Not something I like.
5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03
A mix of Mandriva and Ubuntu... way too complex and most people will not get it, plus enourmous efforts to rely on Marketing.
6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020
I don't think many users will like this. It's at least strange.
7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
Yes please... No numbers, just a code name. Forget the movies and other intellectual property... I would probably use Norse Mythology which is a testament to our German roots...
Something like: openSUSE Freya, openSUSE Balder, openSUSE Wooden, openSUSE Thor, etc. We could get names for many releases... being my favourite: openSUSE Valhalla :)
Or any other theme free of DMCA/Intellectual Rights. And we could keep the numbers as internal management only. For example to continue manage our versioning through OBS/Zypper.
This kind of solution would differenciate us from all the other distributions, would eventually not confuse users and better, would allow very interesting choices for artwork and marketing matherials.
Movies was just a thought offcourse we can have variations The thought came from Debian actually every release of Debian is based on toy story character SOmething like openSUSE <string> <v> as one of the above suggested
Just a thought...
NM
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Am 11.03.2011 16:07, schrieb Nelson Marques:
Yes please... No numbers, just a code name. Forget the movies and other intellectual property... I would probably use Norse Mythology which is a testament to our German roots...
Something like: openSUSE Freya, openSUSE Balder, openSUSE Wooden, openSUSE Thor, etc. We could get names for many releases... being my favourite: openSUSE Valhalla:)
Or any other theme free of DMCA/Intellectual Rights. And we could keep the numbers as internal management only. For example to continue manage our versioning through OBS/Zypper.
This kind of solution would differenciate us from all the other distributions, would eventually not confuse users and better, would allow very interesting choices for artwork and marketing matherials.
Just a thought...
NM Yes, this _+_ Version number
like openSUSE 12.0 "Valhalla" (BTW, Red Hat named his release so in the past....) and openSUSE 12.1 "Freya" thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Nelson Marques wrote:
Yes please... No numbers, just a code name. Forget the movies and other intellectual property... I would probably use Norse Mythology which is a testament to our German roots...
Please, no names for releases - makes it impossible to tell the order. (i.e. which is the latest version, Peter or Michael?) Besides, Norse mythology is Scandinavian, not German. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 11.03.2011 16:32, schrieb Per Jessen:
Please, no names for releases - makes it impossible to tell the order. (i.e. which is the latest version, Peter or Michael?) This is why I suggest using numbers _and_ names. Besides, Norse mythology is Scandinavian, not German. Then we use the names of..... I don´t know. What do you think about "openSUSE 12.0 Konrad Adenauer" as an example.... But I really don´t know :/
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Am 11.03.2011 16:58, schrieb Kim Leyendecker:
Then we use the names of..... I don´t know. What do you think about "openSUSE 12.0 Konrad Adenauer" as an example.... But I really don´t know :/
thanks Okay, maybe we use names of important persons. Like "openSUSE x.y Kennedy" or "openSUSE x.y Washington" as an example. Of course we can use "openSUSE x.y Torvalds" or "openSUSE x.y Cox" too.
thanks PS: "openSUSE x.y Kim Leyendecker" is the best choice ;) -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Mar 11, 11 17:08:20 +0100, Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Okay, maybe we use names of important persons. Like "openSUSE x.y Kennedy" or "openSUSE x.y Washington" as an example. Of course we can use "openSUSE x.y Torvalds" or "openSUSE x.y Cox" too.
thanks
PS: "openSUSE x.y Kim Leyendecker" is the best choice ;)
How about 'important persons that recently lost their jobs'? 'openSUSE 11.4 Guttenberg' comes to mind. :-) cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 11.03.2011 17:18, schrieb Juergen Weigert:
How about 'important persons that recently lost their jobs'? 'openSUSE 11.4 Guttenberg' comes to mind.:-) Okay, We can discuss political stuff here right know, if you asking me, but some people will get angry and so on.... And if you ask me about _Dr._ Guttenberg, I become really unfriendly, because he losts his job and he´s a victim of the press here and so on....
But let talk about the release names NOW! We´ve already codenames since openSUSE 11.2, right? Maybe we continue the "SuSE-scheme" using minor-releases from .1 to 3 and then a following major release, but we try to pushing the codename more. So we´ve got the "must have" that everybody can see, which release is newer (logical thing: 11.4 is newer then 11.3 and 12.0 is of course newer than 11.4!) and the codename. The Mandriva-idea by the way looks interesting, because the distribution itself won´t really change by the time, because it´s "just" a compilation of software. The software, that we ship with it (Linux, Firefox, LibreOffice, KDE, GNOME, LXDE "what-ever-you-want 1.43" will change, not the distro. From my point of view, these two ways are the best. But in general, I don´t support version numbers, I support the distro! thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 17:18, schrieb Juergen Weigert:
How about 'important persons that recently lost their jobs'? 'openSUSE 11.4 Guttenberg' comes to mind.:-) Okay, We can discuss political stuff here right know, if you asking me, but some people will get angry and so on.... And if you ask me about _Dr._ Guttenberg, I become really unfriendly, because he losts his job and he´s a victim of the press here and so on....
He lost the Dr. title too, didn't he?
But let talk about the release names NOW! We´ve already codenames since openSUSE 11.2, right?
Codenames seem to be there, but I don't think anyone has ever used them. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:08:20 AM Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 16:58, schrieb Kim Leyendecker:
Then we use the names of..... I don´t know. What do you think about "openSUSE 12.0 Konrad Adenauer" as an example.... But I really don´t know :/
thanks
Okay, maybe we use names of important persons. Like "openSUSE x.y Kennedy" or "openSUSE x.y Washington" as an example. Of course we can use "openSUSE x.y Torvalds" or "openSUSE x.y Cox" too.
thanks
PS: "openSUSE x.y Kim Leyendecker" is the best choice ;)
Beside the numerical reference we could use people names who made some contribution for Information Technologies (software, networks, algorithms, communications, security,etc) So we can honor their merits and made them visibles. Nobody did that before and openSUSE would be the first. The only drawback is the flames about who is who. We can name it without regards how much contribution that person made. It is not a competition just a way to recognize our anonymous contributors. Remember is not a mumbering replacement (whatever we do adopt). It is just an add-on to recognize those people who made a contribution and changed the way we interact with our machines or communications devices. What do you think ? -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing: openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6 | Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 11.03.2011 17:40, schrieb Ricardo Chung:
Beside the numerical reference we could use people names who made some contribution for Information Technologies (software, networks, algorithms, communications, security,etc) So we can honor their merits and made them visibles. Nobody did that before and openSUSE would be the first.
The only drawback is the flames about who is who. We can name it without regards how much contribution that person made. It is not a competition just a way to recognize our anonymous contributors. Do you mean we do something like "openSUSE x.y Ricarde Chung" or "openSUSE x.y Jos Portvliet (hope this is the right pronounciation....)" or something like "openSUSE x.y Steve Jobs" or "openSUSE x.y Linus Torvalds"? Remember is not a mumbering replacement (whatever we do adopt). It is just an add-on to recognize those people who made a contribution and changed the way we interact with our machines or communications devices. This is important! Versionnumbers have practical value and these names will underline the values.... What do you think ? A really good idea!
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On Friday, March 11, 2011 01:19:44 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 17:40, schrieb Ricardo Chung:
Beside the numerical reference we could use people names who made some contribution for Information Technologies (software, networks, algorithms, communications, security,etc) So we can honor their merits and made them visibles. Nobody did that before and openSUSE would be the first.
The only drawback is the flames about who is who. We can name it without regards how much contribution that person made. It is not a competition just a way to recognize our anonymous contributors.
Do you mean we do something like "openSUSE x.y Ricarde Chung" or "openSUSE x.y Jos Portvliet (hope this is the right pronounciation....)" or something like "openSUSE x.y Steve Jobs" or "openSUSE x.y Linus Torvalds"?
Well, something like that. Not openSUSE x.y. Ricardo Chung but YES to openSUSE x.y Torvalds, openSUSE x.y. Andreessen, openSUSE x.y Zennstrom, openSUSE x.y Oikarinen, openSUSE x.y Van Rossum Those people are alive and we only should use their last name as tribute not to make them feel any embarrassment
Remember is not a mumbering replacement (whatever we do adopt). It is just an add-on to recognize those people who made a contribution and changed the way we interact with our machines or communications devices.
This is important! Versionnumbers have practical value and these names will underline the values....
What do you think ?
A really good idea!
thanks Wellcome and thank you for answering.
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Ricardo Chung <amon0.thoth1@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:08:20 AM Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 16:58, schrieb Kim Leyendecker:
Then we use the names of..... I don´t know. What do you think about "openSUSE 12.0 Konrad Adenauer" as an example.... But I really don´t know :/
thanks
Okay, maybe we use names of important persons. Like "openSUSE x.y Kennedy" or "openSUSE x.y Washington" as an example. Of course we can use "openSUSE x.y Torvalds" or "openSUSE x.y Cox" too.
thanks
PS: "openSUSE x.y Kim Leyendecker" is the best choice ;)
Beside the numerical reference we could use people names who made some contribution for Information Technologies (software, networks, algorithms, communications, security,etc) So we can honor their merits and made them visibles. Nobody did that before and openSUSE would be the first.
Or we can exploit it using names of contributors who made relevant contributions to the previous version, so eventually we could use it also to promote ourselves (as a community) and encourage people to contribute more into the distribution. The only problem I would forecast is how be fair to everyone and eventually would make us waste resources on stuff like measuring and weighting contributions. So your suggestion really is cool as it is because it cuts down all the logistics and hard decisions ;) NM
The only drawback is the flames about who is who. We can name it without regards how much contribution that person made. It is not a competition just a way to recognize our anonymous contributors.
Remember is not a mumbering replacement (whatever we do adopt). It is just an add-on to recognize those people who made a contribution and changed the way we interact with our machines or communications devices.
What do you think ? -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:23:53 +0000, Nelson Marques wrote:
The only problem I would forecast is how be fair to everyone and eventually would make us waste resources on stuff like measuring and weighting contributions.
I would see that as a problem, because there will always be disagreement over whose contributions were more significant. I don't see that kind of arrangement working out well as there are bound to be people who are upset that their contributions were not deemed 'worthy' of that kind of recognition. IOW, I only see bad feelings coming out of something like that. Also along the same lines, though - there's always people who are going to complain that a release is bad, will those contributors want their name as part of a product name if there are actual serious issues with it at release? (Not saying that openSUSE has stability issues, IME it doesn't, but I know I wouldn't be comfortable having my name as part of the product name and then finding out that there was a major problem that got through QA. That might be taken by some as I was the one responsible for letting the bug get through). Better to stick with generic names and give credit in the CREDITS file. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Jim Henderson wrote:
[contributor names] I would see that as a problem, because there will always be disagreement over whose contributions were more significant. I don't see that kind of arrangement working out well as there are bound to be people who are upset that their contributions were not deemed 'worthy' of that kind of recognition.
Well, and of course we'll want to use each name only once, not exactly motivational. Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer <gp@novell.com> Director Product Management, SUSE Linux Enterprise, openSUSE, Appliances -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 01:23:53 PM Nelson Marques wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Ricardo Chung <amon0.thoth1@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 11:08:20 AM Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 16:58, schrieb Kim Leyendecker:
Then we use the names of..... I don´t know. What do you think about "openSUSE 12.0 Konrad Adenauer" as an example.... But I really don´t know :/
thanks
Okay, maybe we use names of important persons. Like "openSUSE x.y Kennedy" or "openSUSE x.y Washington" as an example. Of course we can use "openSUSE x.y Torvalds" or "openSUSE x.y Cox" too.
thanks
PS: "openSUSE x.y Kim Leyendecker" is the best choice ;)
Beside the numerical reference we could use people names who made some contribution for Information Technologies (software, networks, algorithms, communications, security,etc) So we can honor their merits and made them visibles. Nobody did that before and openSUSE would be the first.
Or we can exploit it using names of contributors who made relevant contributions to the previous version, so eventually we could use it also to promote ourselves (as a community) and encourage people to contribute more into the distribution. The only problem I would forecast is how be fair to everyone and eventually would make us waste resources on stuff like measuring and weighting contributions.
That's not the spirit inside my propousal because it would be hard to watch contributions or it would take a big resources (overhead) to score contributions from our people or other contributors. Said so, there are a lot of people (software developers, engineers, mathematicians, etc.) who are making or made our communications to jump one or three levels up in our short information technologies history and maybe not enough known as presidents, politicians, or business people are.
So your suggestion really is cool as it is because it cuts down all the logistics and hard decisions ;)
Thank you for consider it.
NM
The only drawback is the flames about who is who. We can name it without regards how much contribution that person made. It is not a competition just a way to recognize our anonymous contributors.
Remember is not a mumbering replacement (whatever we do adopt). It is just an add-on to recognize those people who made a contribution and changed the way we interact with our machines or communications devices.
What do you think ? -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama
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Kim Leyendecker wrote:
Am 11.03.2011 16:32, schrieb Per Jessen:
Please, no names for releases - makes it impossible to tell the order. (i.e. which is the latest version, Peter or Michael?) This is why I suggest using numbers _and_ names. Besides, Norse mythology is Scandinavian, not German.
Then we use the names of..... I don´t know. What do you think about "openSUSE 12.0 Konrad Adenauer" as an example.... But I really don´t know :/
My vote is for numbers only - the name is superfluous and adds no value nor information. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
11.03.11 10:34, Andreas Jaeger написав(ла):
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
Andreas I suggest to use option number 2 (fedora style). It is easier to accept in my opinion. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday March 11 2011 09:34:14 Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
I vote for any sane numbering scheme without minor versions. This way we don't spend endless times arguing if only the minor or also the major version should get increased or whatever the new name should be. regards, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 11.03.2011 17:32, schrieb Stephan Kleine:
This way we don't spend endless times arguing if only the minor or also the major version should get increased or whatever the new name should be. The major.minor problem we can fix, when we say: .0 to .3 and then again .0 to .3
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Le 11/03/2011 17:38, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :
The major.minor problem we can fix, when we say: .0 to .3 and then again .0 to .3
no who know of such numbering! did you ever have to explain our numbering to non suse users? each and evry say minor number is minor version. and many think X.0 is beta... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
no
who know of such numbering! did you ever have to explain our numbering to non suse users? No each and evry say minor number is minor version. Hm, but normaly a minor release comes with bugfixes, right? So they must
Am 11.03.2011 17:48, schrieb jdd: think it´s a stable system, or not?
and many think X.0 is beta... Who? Sorry, but the only case where X.0 was a testing release, I know was KDE 4.0. And the people here around me, all think that with a new major number a new product is there.... jdd
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Number it however... personally I'd like to see some (better) relation maintained between the openSUSE version numbers and the SLE version numbers - so maybe better coordination with the SLE PMs would be in order. Internally, I'd like to just make the codenames more obvious. How many people know the current release (officially 11.4) is codenamed 'Celadon' ? The long history of using green shades/objects is neutral and unique. Lets stick with what works. - James Mason 'bear454' On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
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On Friday, March 11, 2011 08:05:28 PM James Mason wrote:
Number it however... personally I'd like to see some (better) relation maintained between the openSUSE version numbers and the SLE version numbers - so maybe better coordination with the SLE PMs would be in order.
Yes, openSUSE is the base for SUSE Linux Enterprise (SLE) but forcing a naming scheme would mean that we really have to coordinate early when to release the next SLE. Let's say you want to have 12.1 as base for SLE 12 - then you would need to know this at the time you decide whether it's 11.x or 12.0 - so basically 16 months before the release of 12.1 - and that's a long time. Also, openSUSE and SLE are independend, each has its own schedule. I talked with some of the Product Managers (PMs) and they do not see a need to couple the version numbers.
Internally, I'd like to just make the codenames more obvious. How many people know the current release (officially 11.4) is codenamed 'Celadon' ?
Yes - that's a separate issue.
The long history of using green shades/objects is neutral and unique. Lets stick with what works.
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James Mason wrote:
Internally, I'd like to just make the codenames more obvious. How many people know the current release (officially 11.4) is codenamed 'Celadon' ?
Not many (until they install it).
The long history of using green shades/objects is neutral and unique.
Even if not always language-neutral. (lysegrøn is a shade of green in my mothertongue).
Lets stick with what works.
Well, let's keep the codename a codename (if it's of any use), but that still leaves the question of how to name our releases? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
James Mason wrote:
Internally, I'd like to just make the codenames more obvious. How many people know the current release (officially 11.4) is codenamed 'Celadon' ?
Not many (until they install it).
The long history of using green shades/objects is neutral and unique.
Even if not always language-neutral. ( is a shade of green in my mothertongue).
I'd be fine with openSUSE lysegrøn :) Along that concept, I could tell you off the top of my head that Debian's last current release is Etch, but I'd have to google to tell you that's 6.0.0. - James Mason 'bear454' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
I say lets leave the numbering as it is and give a code-name of a (mythical???)weapon to each release. That way we will put the weapon to Geeko's hand each time to fight for free software. That way we will also have less 'wondering about new versions artwork' problems each time we make a release and maybe our developers can create a game with the Geeko fighter that we will release with the next version as a bonus for starting that series of naming our distributions versions. Kostas 2011/3/11 James Mason <bear454@opensuse.org>:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
James Mason wrote:
Internally, I'd like to just make the codenames more obvious. How many people know the current release (officially 11.4) is codenamed 'Celadon' ?
Not many (until they install it).
The long history of using green shades/objects is neutral and unique.
Even if not always language-neutral. ( is a shade of green in my mothertongue).
I'd be fine with openSUSE lysegrøn :)
Along that concept, I could tell you off the top of my head that Debian's last current release is Etch, but I'd have to google to tell you that's 6.0.0.
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Kostas Koudaras wrote:
I say lets leave the numbering as it is and give a code-name of a (mythical???)weapon to each release. That way we will put the weapon to Geeko's hand each time to fight for free software.
Let's not get into symbolism - if we _have_ to have another codename, how about using the names of the worlds capitals and/or large cities? Paris, Toulon, Munich, Dresden, Stockholm, Malmoe, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Moscow, St.Petersburg, Zurich, Bern, Rome, Milan, Tokyo, etc. (apologies to all of those I've left out or misspelled). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 11/03/2011 21:43, Per Jessen a écrit :
Kostas Koudaras wrote:
I say lets leave the numbering as it is and give a code-name of a (mythical???)weapon to each release. That way we will put the weapon to Geeko's hand each time to fight for free software.
Let's not get into symbolism - if we _have_ to have another codename, how about using the names of the worlds capitals and/or large cities? Paris, Toulon, Munich, Dresden, Stockholm, Malmoe, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Moscow, St.Petersburg, Zurich, Bern, Rome, Milan, Tokyo, etc. (apologies to all of those I've left out or misspelled).
wha it not like this some time ago? with nice photos? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
James Mason wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
James Mason wrote:
Internally, I'd like to just make the codenames more obvious. How many people know the current release (officially 11.4) is codenamed 'Celadon' ?
Not many (until they install it).
The long history of using green shades/objects is neutral and unique.
Even if not always language-neutral. (lysegrøn is a shade of green in my mothertongue).
I'd be fine with openSUSE lysegrøn :)
:-)
Along that concept, I could tell you off the top of my head that Debian's last current release is Etch, but I'd have to google to tell you that's 6.0.0.
Which might just be a good argument for keeping version numbering. To a non-native English speaker "Etch" is perhap at best a part of "Etch-a-Sketch", an 80s childs toy. Numbers are language-neutral (for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-). I know I've just installed 11.4, but I have no idea what the codename for 11.3 was. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 11/03/2011 21:37, Per Jessen a écrit :
(for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-).
that's an idea. why not use Latin numbers? XI.V, XII... that's original (on the way to find the most fantasy name) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Friday, March 11, 2011 22:52:25 jdd wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 21:37, Per Jessen a écrit :
(for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-).
that's an idea. why not use Latin numbers?
XI.V, XII...
Not with minors, please, let's add as suggestion: 7. "Latin": JDD proposed latin numbers Next release is: XII Following releases: XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVII
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Le 14/03/2011 10:08, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
Not with minors, please, let's add as suggestion: 7. "Latin": JDD proposed latin numbers Next release is: XII Following releases: XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVII
why not :-) thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:30 PM, jdd <jdd@dodin.org> wrote:
Le 14/03/2011 10:08, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
Not with minors, please, let's add as suggestion: 7. "Latin": JDD proposed latin numbers Next release is: XII Following releases: XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVII
why not :-) thanks jdd
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for those unfamiliar with Latin, it's whether it's a 1 or a i. Realistically, why Latin? I studied it for a couple of years, and still think it's rather pretentious. The vote will decide of course, but don't choose it because you think it looks pretty. Usability, simplicity, clarity. cheers Helen -- IRC: helen_au helen.south@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 14/03/2011 10:52, Helen South a écrit :
Realistically, why Latin? I studied it for a couple of years, and still think it's rather pretentious.
because it's the most international/neutral (many text examples in help are latin) and nobody else do use it :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Op 14-03-11 10:55, jdd schreef:
Le 14/03/2011 10:52, Helen South a écrit :
Realistically, why Latin? I studied it for a couple of years, and still think it's rather pretentious. because it's the most international/neutral (many text examples in help are latin)
and nobody else do use it :-)
jdd
The Romans ruled a large part of the existng world, and the Katholic Church: Rome ruled even longer... I think that all the crimes they commited during all those centuries of reign, are not to be rewarded by openSUSE, in fact, personaly i would not even think about that....but, i am nobody, so... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Oddball wrote:
Op 14-03-11 10:55, jdd schreef:
Le 14/03/2011 10:52, Helen South a écrit :
Realistically, why Latin? I studied it for a couple of years, and still think it's rather pretentious. because it's the most international/neutral (many text examples in help are latin)
and nobody else do use it :-)
jdd
The Romans ruled a large part of the existng world, and the Katholic Church: Rome ruled even longer... I think that all the crimes they commited during all those centuries of reign, are not to be rewarded by openSUSE,
Don't worry, the BBC and the worlds monarchies have been "rewarding" the Romans for centuries. (they all been using roman numerals for the longest time). Regardless, if the use of a certain kind of numerals is or could be seen as a reward or recognition, we'll probably want to avoid the arabic numerals too - their users include all kind of criminals throughout history. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 14.03.2011 21:06, schrieb Per Jessen:
Don't worry, the BBC and the worlds monarchies have been "rewarding" the Romans for centuries. (they all been using roman numerals for the longest time). Regardless, if the use of a certain kind of numerals is or could be seen as a reward or recognition, we'll probably want to avoid the arabic numerals too - their users include all kind of criminals throughout history. But I bet with you, that a lot of people will write the roman numerals as the arabic numerals. Look at Pro-Linux: It´s not openSUSE their, or openSuSE. It´s OpenSuse. Some people (normaly the press....) don´t care about specifications of the distros. So, maybe a clear scheme like the current or like 2011.x or 2011-xx is better.
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Op 14-03-11 21:16, Kim Leyendecker schreef:
So, maybe a clear scheme like the current or like 2011.x or 2011-xx is better.
thanks
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Op 14-03-11 21:06, Per Jessen schreef:
Oddball wrote:
Op 14-03-11 10:55, jdd schreef:
Le 14/03/2011 10:52, Helen South a écrit :
Realistically, why Latin? I studied it for a couple of years, and still think it's rather pretentious. because it's the most international/neutral (many text examples in help are latin)
and nobody else do use it :-)
jdd
The Romans ruled a large part of the existng world, and the Katholic Church: Rome ruled even longer... I think that all the crimes they commited during all those centuries of reign, are not to be rewarded by openSUSE, Don't worry, the BBC and the worlds monarchies have been "rewarding" the Romans for centuries. (they all been using roman numerals for the longest time). Regardless, if the use of a certain kind of numerals is or could be seen as a reward or recognition, we'll probably want to avoid the arabic numerals too - their users include all kind of criminals throughout history.
lol.... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Op 15-03-11 08:36, Oddball schreef:
Op 14-03-11 21:06, Per Jessen schreef:
Oddball wrote:
Op 14-03-11 10:55, jdd schreef:
Le 14/03/2011 10:52, Helen South a écrit :
Realistically, why Latin? I studied it for a couple of years, and still think it's rather pretentious. because it's the most international/neutral (many text examples in help are latin)
and nobody else do use it :-)
jdd
The Romans ruled a large part of the existng world, and the Katholic Church: Rome ruled even longer... I think that all the crimes they commited during all those centuries of reign, are not to be rewarded by openSUSE, Don't worry, the BBC and the worlds monarchies have been "rewarding" the Romans for centuries. (they all been using roman numerals for the longest time). Regardless, if the use of a certain kind of numerals is or could be seen as a reward or recognition, we'll probably want to avoid the arabic numerals too - their users include all kind of criminals throughout history.
lol....
I thought there had to be made a decision for openSUSE's choice now... I did not think what others did or do would matter here.. But on the other hand my dreads of the Roman church and their 'holy inquisition' may blur my vision a bit.. Practical, i think they are not very useful either... It is not the use only, it is the prominent place these numerals take inside: openSUSE MMXI.II Well, in any case, i would less like it.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.6.00 (4.6.0) "release 6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Monday, March 14, 2011 05:08:40 AM Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 22:52:25 jdd wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 21:37, Per Jessen a écrit :
(for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-).
that's an idea. why not use Latin numbers?
XI.V, XII...
Not with minors, please, let's add as suggestion: 7. "Latin": JDD proposed latin numbers Next release is: XII Following releases: XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVII
Andreas
There is a possible issue with Latin numbers if we go this way to name our releases now and forhead. Some numbering could be too lenght like openSUSE version 38=XXXVIII. Best, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama Testing: openSUSE 11.4 RC 2 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | Mesa-Nouveau 3D Gallium 7.10 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi Andreas, On 03/14/2011 05:08 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 22:52:25 jdd wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 21:37, Per Jessen a écrit :
(for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-).
that's an idea. why not use Latin numbers?
XI.V, XII...
Not with minors, please, let's add as suggestion: 7. "Latin": JDD proposed latin numbers Next release is: XII Following releases: XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVII
Andreas
I stopped following the thread after a while as it was getting too long for me. Anyway, excuse me if this has already been posted/requested. I presume there will be a survey/vote at some point about this topic. When the survey/vote is posted could you please make an announcement of the location in a new thread to assure the announcement does not get mingled in with the discussion? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Novell-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rschweikert@novell.com rschweikert@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 Novell Making IT Work As One -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Am 14.03.2011 16:20, schrieb Robert Schweikert:
On 03/14/2011 05:08 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2011 22:52:25 jdd wrote:
Le 11/03/2011 21:37, Per Jessen a écrit :
(for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-).
that's an idea. why not use Latin numbers?
XI.V, XII...
Not with minors, please, let's add as suggestion: 7. "Latin": JDD proposed latin numbers Next release is: XII Following releases: XIII, XIV, XV, XVI, XVII, XVII
Andreas Another idea: I read about the former Red Hat Linux, that RH use the mm-system and just give a new major number, when the new release was incompatible to the former. Why we don´t do this? The user will see which release is newer _and_ he will see when the successor of his release is incompatible to it.
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On Monday, March 14, 2011 04:20:18 PM Robert Schweikert wrote:
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Andreas
I stopped following the thread after a while as it was getting too long for me. Anyway, excuse me if this has already been posted/requested.
I presume there will be a survey/vote at some point about this topic.
Yes, starting tomorrow or so (once I put it up).
When the survey/vote is posted could you please make an announcement of the location in a new thread to assure the announcement does not get mingled in with the discussion?
will do ;) Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
* Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> [03-11-11 15:39]:
Which might just be a good argument for keeping version numbering. To a non-native English speaker "Etch" is perhap at best a part of "Etch-a-Sketch", an 80s childs toy. Numbers are language-neutral (for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-).
You *must* be younger than I believed %8^) I believe "Etch-a-Sketch" was born *early* in the sixtys, perhaps earlier yet. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> [03-11-11 15:39]:
Which might just be a good argument for keeping version numbering. To a non-native English speaker "Etch" is perhap at best a part of "Etch-a-Sketch", an 80s childs toy. Numbers are language-neutral (for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-).
You *must* be younger than I believed %8^) I believe "Etch-a-Sketch" was born *early* in the sixtys, perhaps earlier yet.
Hehe, it might depend on when it was exported. Come to think of it, I must have seen it in the 70s. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
James Mason wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
James Mason wrote:
Internally, I'd like to just make the codenames more obvious. How many people know the current release (officially 11.4) is codenamed 'Celadon' ?
Not many (until they install it).
The long history of using green shades/objects is neutral and unique.
Even if not always language-neutral. (lysegrøn is a shade of green in my mothertongue).
I'd be fine with openSUSE lysegrøn :)
:-)
Along that concept, I could tell you off the top of my head that Debian's last current release is Etch, but I'd have to google to tell you that's 6.0.0.
Which might just be a good argument for keeping version numbering. To a non-native English speaker "Etch" is perhap at best a part of "Etch-a-Sketch", an 80s childs toy.
On the money - Debian codenames after characters from Pixar's Toy Story: Woody, Sarge, Etch, etc... so yes, it *is* named for the Etch-a-Sketch ;)
Numbers are language-neutral (for anyone using arabic numerals at least :-). I know I've just installed 11.4, but I have no idea what the codename for 11.3 was.
11.s is codenamed "Teal" - James Mason 'bear454'
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James Mason wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Per Jessen <per@opensuse.org> wrote:
Which might just be a good argument for keeping version numbering. To a non-native English speaker "Etch" is perhap at best a part of "Etch-a-Sketch", an 80s childs toy.
On the money - Debian codenames after characters from Pixar's Toy Story: Woody, Sarge, Etch, etc... so yes, it *is* named for the Etch-a-Sketch ;)
I had no idea - and I _have_ watched Toy Story (in the original as well as dubbed). Woody I know, but I can't picture the other two. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, James Mason wrote:
Number it however... personally I'd like to see some (better) relation maintained between the openSUSE version numbers and the SLE version numbers - so maybe better coordination with the SLE PMs would be in order.
There definitely is not any objection from the SUSE Linux Enterprise side for openSUSE to align its version numbers, but this really means that openSUSE would need to adjust to whatever happens on that front in terms of roadmap, even if it ends up changing.
From my perspective this is not really desirable for openSUSE, but I will be happy to ensure necessary information is relayed and updated should this be the desired course of action.
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I remember there was a discussion about LTS versions. If this is true the LTS could be X.0 and X.1, X.2 could be short term. Cheers, Thomas On Friday 11 March 2011 09:34:14 wrote Andreas Jaeger:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Hi, I personally prefer the current scheme, so I will vote for 1. Regards, Angelos On 03/11/2011 10:34 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
Options: 1. "old school": The same we do right now but let's decide when to change the right number: we count it always until 3. Next release is 12.0. Following releases: 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, 13.0 2. "Fedora style": Just integers. Next release is: 12 Following release: 13, 14, 15 3. "Mandriva style": YYYY.counter (4 digit year, counter starts a 0) Next release is: 2011.1 Following releases: 2012.0, 2013.0, 2013.1, 2014.0, 2015.1 4. "Ubuntu style": YY.MM (2 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 11.11 Following releases: 12.07, 13.03, 13.11, 14.07, 15.03 5. "Ubuntu style variation": YYYY-MM (4 digit year, 2 digit month) Next release is: 2011-11 Following releases are: 2012-07, 2013-03, 2013-11, 2014-07, 2015-03 6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
Andreas
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On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
<snip> I strongly oppose any name-based system, as for many distributions I find their naming choices to be contrived and often irritating. (Particularly Mint's cutesy girl's names). Scientific names might seem like a good idea to those of us with an interest in those things, but won't reasonate with users who are more into literature. And why use the name of a philosopher if the distribution doesn't actively embody something of that person's philosophy? It's just a meaningless code then. Obviously Star Wars and other movies are out. We already have enough trouble encouragin casual contributors to be careful of branding and legal matters. A simple numbering system would be fine. As a user, finding information on my current release is easy "opensuse 11.3" in a search string usually yeilds relevant results. Keep it short, clear and simple to type. Try not to introduce extra punctuation. It would be preferable if it wasn't a commonly used date format. best, Helen -- IRC: helen_au helen.south@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
2011/3/13 Helen South <helen.south@opensuse.org>:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
<snip>
I strongly oppose any name-based system, as for many distributions I find their naming choices to be contrived and often irritating. (Particularly Mint's cutesy girl's names). Scientific names might seem like a good idea to those of us with an interest in those things, but won't reasonate with users who are more into literature. And why use the name of a philosopher if the distribution doesn't actively embody something of that person's philosophy? It's just a meaningless code then.
Obviously Star Wars and other movies are out. We already have enough trouble encouragin casual contributors to be careful of branding and legal matters.
A simple numbering system would be fine. As a user, finding information on my current release is easy "opensuse 11.3" in a search string usually yeilds relevant results.
Keep it short, clear and simple to type. Try not to introduce extra punctuation. It would be preferable if it wasn't a commonly used date format.
+1
best,
Helen
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On 03/13/2011 09:53 AM, Helen South wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@novell.com> wrote:
We had this week a discussion on IRC on how to name the next release and I took the action item to do a poll on connect.opensuse.org now to help us solve the naming of openSUSE distribution releases.
openSUSE does not have a major and minor numbering, even if it seems so. There is right now no difference in any way between what we would do for openSUSE 11.4 or 12.0 - and no sense to speak about openSUSE 11 or openSUSE 11 family. We also have no process on how to name the next release (when to increase which parts of the number).
Here are some options, if I miss some, please tell me and I will then soon setup a poll. I'm listening the next version we would use as well as how the following would be called as an example. Remember we have releases every 8 months, so the next releases are: November 2011, July 2012, March 2013, November 2013, July 2014, March 2015.
<snip>
I strongly oppose any name-based system, as for many distributions I find their naming choices to be contrived and often irritating. (Particularly Mint's cutesy girl's names). Scientific names might seem like a good idea to those of us with an interest in those things, but won't reasonate with users who are more into literature. And why use the name of a philosopher if the distribution doesn't actively embody something of that person's philosophy? It's just a meaningless code then.
Obviously Star Wars and other movies are out. We already have enough trouble encouragin casual contributors to be careful of branding and legal matters.
A simple numbering system would be fine. As a user, finding information on my current release is easy "opensuse 11.3" in a search string usually yeilds relevant results.
Keep it short, clear and simple to type. Try not to introduce extra punctuation. It would be preferable if it wasn't a commonly used date format.
best,
Helen
I love that logical common sense . Kiss methodology : keep it simple & stupid :-) For the jump from 11 to 12, my only suggestion is that will mark one of the major change. Well our main sponsor at the next release time will not be Novell but Attachmate. That can motivate the 12.0 jump, then keep it just number. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
В сообщении от Пятница 11 марта 2011 11:34:14 автор Andreas Jaeger написал:
6. "octal": Coolo came up with calling the next release "o 12" and then proposed to go octal (so 012). We decided to start with 012 even if that 10 in decimal. Next release is: 012 Following releases: 013, 014, 015, 016, 017, 020 7. "Seasons": "Season YYYY" since March is in spring, July in summer, and November is in autumn. Next release is: Autumn 2011 Following releases: Summer 2012, Spring 2013, Autumn 2013, Summer 2014
Anything else I should add to the list above?
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given the number of variations and the fact that each have people who like them, I think we should vote in two ballots the first wich each and every option available for vote the second with only the 3/3 first ones jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
Le 13/03/2011 13:08, jdd a écrit :
the second with only the 3/3 first ones
not 3/3, but two or three (2/3) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday, March 13, 2011 13:22:30 jdd wrote:
Le 13/03/2011 13:08, jdd a écrit :
the second with only the 3/3 first ones
not 3/3, but two or three (2/3)
Yeah, that's similar to what Coolo proposed and which I added to the blog post as: Coolo suggested to do the poll in two rounds: first list all obscure options there are and in the next round only include those that got
80% of the winner. Of course if there is only one, the second round can be removed. First round: Select every option you like. Second round: Select one.
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