Hey, n 13.07.23 22:19, Robert Webb wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 17:46:20 +0200, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel@opensuse.org> wrote:
The best way to be inclusive is not to include everyone. Including people who believe we should exclude or suppress certain other people is the line. That's just a variation of Poppers paradox of tolerance¹ [...] ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Thanks for the reference.
"In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise." -- Karl Popper
For sure, be reasonable. No one is perfect, we all have our biases, blind spots, thoughtless moments or bad moods. That is why the openSUSE Project *also* values to "listen to arguments and address problems in a constructive and open way" (guiding principles quote again). Which is exactly what happened in this case BTW.
The limit is when rational argument is made impossible by the intolerant.
OpenSUSE, though, can demand more kindness from its members than does society at large.
Indeed. openSUSE even does something more drastic: We demand from you to accept the rules and decisions that the people that *do* produce. As long as they are in line with our guiding principles. Which this case is another nice example of. The openSUSE Members that *do* the reddit moderation for openSUSE decided for *whatever* reason that they won't take down an image even though there is *some* reason to do it. No poll among users, poll among our own members, the openSUSE board agreeing, this email thread or *anything* else will change this. This is the only governance rule we have around here: Who does the work decides. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson