Conversely, there are many, many people who are extremely proud of the openSUSE community for standing strong. Who may well have left long ago, had the community bowed to the likes of you and the handful of rabble rousers who continue to instigate every few months. Who continue to try to get rid of our code of conduct or the rainbows, or other things we do to stand up for minorities. But, I'm quite confident that you will all continue to fail. And that openSUSE will continue to grow and be stronger than ever. Not perhaps even in spite of your harassment and instigation, but because of it. Indeed, if anything, all you have done, and continue to do, is prove just how amazing, open and welcoming this community truly is. Emily On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 4:57 PM Peter Czanik <peter@czanik.hu> wrote:
El jueves, 6 de julio de 2023 13:01:24 (CEST) Günter Dachs escribió:
Dear community,
I would like to inform myself about the decision making in the openSUSE community. And probably start a discussion about it as well. A couple of days ago I posted a reminder on reddit that pride month is over and that the mods shouldn't forget to update the logo to the regular one. When you hover the mouse over the logo it changes to the one with the
flag. Which is great for pride month. But I don't see any reason to have this permanently. To my knowledge the logo was always a temporary thing that is changed at special occasions and holidays. To my knowledge each time this occasion is over we switch back to the default logo. Shortly after my post got removed. With no explanation and no reason. I have just seen that your poll has been removed. Interesting.
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openSUSE is an open welcoming community for everybody. And to reflect
we need to respect everybody. And use our netural logos and artwork. To increase our respect to everybody, we can set signs during certain evens/periods. Using pride flags during pride month. Using the cross during christmas. This artwork is extra work. And needs to be contributed by
community. So if someone makes it we should take it, if it is not part of a damaging or forbidden group/ideology (like Nazism). From what I have read on @factory and @project, not everyone is happy
openSUSE is promoting a political movement. This excludes others. If you start promoting one particular minority group, why not others? There are other places for promoting political views.
IMHO, if we want to be as inclusive as possible, we shouldn't use flags/symbols of any kind (except in some cases, like country forums). We already have a Code of conduct which welcomes everybody and gives examples of behaviour
On 7/7/23 22:01, Javier Llorente wrote: pride this the that that
fosters a positive environment.
I would prefer to see a neutral openSUSE. openSUSE is about technology. BTW, shouldn't we be talking about how to fix a build/improve a package instead of this? :-))
Yeah, fully agree. Inclusion is not using any flags but being fully neutral. Neo-nazis and LMBTQ, Catholics, Muslims, and atheist working peacefully together on fun technologies, like Linux distros, BSD variants, open source software, not caring about the others political, sexual or religious orientation. It worked perfectly for decades. As soon as you divert from technology topics, you will have long, heated, and completely off-topic debates, not solving anything. Just like this one ;-)
Peter