Today, wishing to see the latest offering from the Education space, I downloaded and installed in VMWare, Ubuntu 7.04 education server and add-on cd. What do you think was one of the first things I noticed as I was poking around. The ZMD updater firmly and proudly in place in the tool tray, working perfectly without issue. The funniest part is that this is not the only obvious flattery to your work. A nicely working ZMD and "software installer" these are our tools, not theres. Should we invent while they implement and grow? What is that MS chant , embrace, expand and eliminate? I would like to reiterate that we should be slowing down and making things work so that our releases are immediately usable in all categories. "Good enough", is what Microsoft produces, i.e .active directory is a miserable beast to tame. It's unwieldy, with tools spread out all over the place, and limited scalability with core functionality left to expensive 3rd party vendors to add. Windows releases with huge updates available on "windowsupdate" days\weeks after the release of W2k, Wxp, and who knows whats up there for VIsta, but it works half way perfect or "good enough". There is only one thing that they and Ubuntu have that we don't, incredible amounts of cash to keep QC personnel employed to make sure there uninspired teams produce more "good enough". That leaves only two weapons in our arsenal , the incredible brilliance of the opensuse team and patience. Our seasoned team has and should produce the most immediately usable distribution on the planet. It is impossible for us who don't code to keep up with factory as we try and make use of the software we would like to have daily. As those who don't think twice of hopping out to the command line to perform tasks that the daily user wouldn't have the foggiest notion of how to accomplish i.e rpm -U -v -h , overlook fixing bugs that effect us gui bound "n00bs" i.e. ZMD. Please reconsider our pace, repackage 10.2, make a few additions and call it 10.2.1 and work patiently to release 10.3 as next years absolute master piece this team is capable of. -- James Tremblay Director of Technology Newmarket School District Novell CNE 3\4\5 CLE \ NCE in training. http://en.opensuse.org/education --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org