Il giorno lun, 04/05/2009 alle 22.54 +0000, Jim Henderson ha scritto:
I think we can agree that if we were to target names after vegetarian painters, that might seem innocuous enough, but (and realising I'm invoking Godwin's law here), I think we could all agree that naming a release "Hitler" would be just a bit of a problem for much the same reasons.
I don't think anybody disagrees on this. But I think the difference between the names is very clear too.
At this point avoid any kind of codename, because it is really easy to be against someone sensitivity, even with colours or animals. But maybe people will be less vocal about those.
I don't think colours or animals would be a problem, personally. It is possible to go overboard with Political Correctness, but that doesn't mean that it's appropriate (in my view) to completely disregard opinions and viewpoints that may be valid, either and just say "deal with it."
Well, certain colours has or had a political meaning. Some has a ratial connotation in a certain context. Just think to the very elementary example of black and red. The fact that we feel them far from us doesn't really mean someone could not be "offended". Opinions has to be heard, taken into account, but not necessarily accepted.
Also, talking more in general, and not only on the specific case, which IMHO is not important at all, maybe one day openSUSE will stop changing ideas because of a few users comments, and will keep going on following its way. ;-)
I hope that never happens - the day it does is the day the distro ceases to be a community-driven distro.
No, that would be the day the distro will show a plan, in the common interest, and not exposed to the opinions of a few (I'm not simply referring to the codenames topic, which is irrelevant). The difference sounds really evident.
But as I often point out to customers (and friends) at work, just because a decision doesn't go your way doesn't mean it wasn't listened to, either. Just because people express opinions doesn't mean giving in to every little demand for a change, either. But it does mean considering the point of view and making an informed decision - and being willing to say "gee, we didn't consider that and it was a mistake to move forward" when a mistake has been made.
Right. We are essentially saying the same thing. ;-)
Not saying a mistake has been made, just providing an alternate point of view.
Well, you are somewhat saying that. Maybe the 11.2 codename wasn't the most pondered choice of this world, surely it's not the most important choice people at openSUSE have to take for the distribution, but someone on forums stretched it far too much, considering himself "offended" and thinking the choice was done "on purpose". That's not expressing an opinion... Bye -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org