Hello, On Tuesday, May 30th, 2023 at 8:00 AM, Natasha Ament <stacheldrahtje@gmail.com> wrote:
Op ma 29 mei 2023 om 22:08 schreef Wouter Onebekend wouter.onebekend@proton.me:
I may have been a bit imprecise about this. I do make a distinction between the group itself and its, for lack of a better word, advocates. There are in fact some people in the LGBT community who regard this whole political movement with rainbow flags, pride months and a whole bunch of other things with quite a bit of unease. They feel like they might be getting used as revolutionary subject by leftists groups. The author Douglas Murray who among other things happens to be a homosexual man wrote an entire book about it, in fact "The Madness of Crowds".
So basically anyone waving a rainbow flag is an extremist.
Those in the vanguard, yes. The masses just march along because somebody they unquestioningly follow, such as the nice man on TV or the leader of their peer group tells them to. A small subset of people disagrees with flying that flag. An even smaller subset speaks out about their dislike of it.
Is it just the rainbow flag or all people waving flags? As far as I can understand the far right has a history when it comes to flag waving.
So does the far left. Given the heavy involvement of card carrying communists waving the rainbow flag it isn't much of a stretch to compare it to the hammer and sickle flag quite a few atrocities were commited under as well. For now it's "only" people losing their jobs due to complaint bombing by woke mobs. Or a few "literal nazis" who surely deserved it getting a few windows smashed at night. But rest assured, it's going to get worse as this movement's purity spiral tightens. And at all points you will find "reasonable" people justifying and defending this movement's actions because it's the only beacon of hope merely standing up for downtrodden people's rights in an unjust words. Me, I'm not exactly asking anyone to fly the Confederate battle flag, though I freely admit I'm rather fond of it, not least because it's anathema to the very people who want to force me to fly theirs I feel the same about. I ask that people keep their flags in their pants when participating in this project. All of them. And I especially ask that no flag is privileged and flown while everyone else needs to keep their flags in their pants. Only discord can come of that.
These advocates absolutely are extremists and I don't think they have the LGBT community's best interests in mind. They just need a revolutionary subject to take up arms on behalf of. In my opinion they care as much about the LGBT community as the communists of old cared about the working class.
To surmise, I find your intentions less than friendly, not to say hostile. Hostile towards a minority group. I am not sure how this movement may have wronged you.
Now I am indeed not too fond of the LGBT community purely in terms of their sexual orientation either, yes. I have been on the receiving end of unwanted sexual advances by homosexuals who absolutely would not take 'no' for an answer in my life. On two occasions I had to use violence to ward them off. As a consequence I am quite wary of them. I am willing to tolerate them, but I will always retain that wariness. And yes, this is another reason I do not want to fly that flag.
It is unfortunate you were assaulted. I find it important to separate these two individuals from a whole group of people who fight oppression, insults and abuse every day. The flag is just a symbol, nothing more nothing less. How you construe this as linked to your assault is beyond me.
You asked, you got an answer that might help you understand where I am coming from and the exact amount of tolerance I am willing to extend, especially where the 'G' part of the LGBT community is concerned. It is but a minor aspect of the whole matter to me. My main gripe is with the far left extremists using the LGBT community as a willing or at least tacitly agreeing revolutionary subject in support of pushing their own agenda. An agenda I disagree with.
From what you have written thus far I get the impression that everyone who does not agree with your point of view is an extremist, far left or a combination of both.
Just like everyone on the right is a 'bigot' or 'literally Hitler'? Like most people on my side, I just want to be left alone. This is not possible in a world increasingly controlled by radical leftists who want to have a controlling interest in where I live, what car I drive (or whether I drive a car at all), how I raise my kids, how I heat my home, whether I get to eat meat, or even what words I am no longer allowed to use when writing code. This is why I speak out against them from time to time. Under a pseudonym because they would absolutely come for me in various ways were they to learn my real name. For the one thing they cannot tolerate is somebody openly disagreeing with them. If that happens too often, the climate of fear they have managed to establish to dominate discourse in most places will get cracks. Truth be told, I do not think I am going to get much of anywhere with my ranting and raving. But it still beats only preaching to a small choir of fellow far right dissidents in hushed tones. Most of them learned the hard way exactly how intolerant the "tolerant" left is and do not need convincing. Those who - perhaps even unwittingly - play along with that game of iron intolerance against the "intolerant" I may be able to convince or at least sow a few seeds of doubt in. Regards, An Anonymous Techie