-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno ven, 04/05/2007 alle 07.29 +0200, Pascal Bleser ha scritto:
The build service repositories (software.opensuse.org) just contain too much software -- having it split up into many repositories as now is the right model. You wouldn't want experimental xorg73 packages to show up in the same repository as the latest Firefox package.
update.opensuse.org makes sense though.
The buildservice might be good from a developer point of view, but for a user it's just a mess and it's not easily accessible.
Right, that's pretty much what I said ;) It's becoming really cool for "developers" (packagers, actually), but there hasn't been much effort put into the end-user interface yet.
As I was discussion on IRC with Benjamin, at least a yast integrated interface to add-remove the various repositories would be necessary to make the buildservice accessible to the users.
That would be very nice, indeed. But there again, it's two different approaches/cultures: - - some want to have lots of packages and lots of latest versions - - others prefer a more conservative approach and try to stick with what the distribution ships (tried&tested)+online updates It has to be clear that packages provided as part of the openSUSE Build Service are "bleeding-edge", at least compared to the ones shipping with the distro. Of course, it also depends a lot on the package and its nature: I've been very happily using the latest Apache, PHP and similar packages from the oBS, but the latest X.org is a totally different story. It's definitely not _that_ easy as it might sound.
File bugs for those suggestions, give feedback to the web designers of the site when they make a proposal on the list (but not hidden in a large post on this list ;))
File bugs, make reports...if only they were read and not skipped just because things are supposed to work...
When things like that happen to bugs you've filed, poke AJ about it, he's the project manager ;) (Andreas, sorry for the spam ;))
Ubuntu is no "click and run distro", it's by no means easier to set up and use than openSUSE. The only thing that's better with Ubuntu is the package manager. Idealizing Ubuntu as being perfect and not having any issues is ridiculous.
Ubuntu is a lot closer to being click and run than openSUSE in the current state. In synaptic you enable the repositories you need, search for the packages and install them.
In openSUSE you've to look for the repository, add it and then install. If you're lucky and you know webpin it's fairly easy, but still not at the ubuntu level.
The differences are 1) the ease with which you can add a repository 2) Ubuntu comes preconfigured with a list of disabled additional repositories you just need to enable... ? whereas on openSUSE you have to find them in the first place 3) Ubuntu cannot come with a list of preconfigured repositories that contain package that might infringe patents in some countries -- same situation as for Novell -- either they don't, same as openSUSE for Packman or Guru, or they do, then they would most probably lose in trial if they're shoved into court by, say, the MPEG Group 4) same as above for nVidia or ATI drivers, except it would be the FSF or kernel developers instead of the MPEG Group
Not to say there aren't a lot of things to improve, but it isn't a "techies version" more than SLED nor Ubuntu nor Fedora nor ...
As said, ubuntu doesn't require to:
- remove zmd and to clean and rebuild the package manager database.
100% ACK. ZMD will be removed in 10.3, so hopefully that issue will be history soon.
- add at least 3 additional repositories (graphics cards, packman, guru) to have a fully working system.
There's no way around it. See legal/copyright/patent issues above.
- remove the main menu (in GNOME) because it leaks 300MB in hours.
Well, GNOME right...
- hope in a never coming patch for the default audio player (I know there's amarok, that there are patches on buildservice and such...still not the point for a user friendly distribution).
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