Hi Joerg, On Wednesday 04 December 2013 17:02:57 Joerg Stephan wrote:
Am 04.12.2013 16:41, schrieb Robert Schweikert:
Am 04.12.2013 16:14, schrieb Richard Brown: Not necessarily, even if we had a "technical steering committee" and I am still not convinced that is necessary, but that's a different discussion, the steering committee could not make people appear out of
On 12/04/2013 10:22 AM, Joerg Stephan wrote: thin air that are capable and willing to do the work that is expected to be vacated.
The problem for the release and the "new factory" model are the same. Who is willing, able, and interested to do the work? Who has the time?
These questions are the same whether one manages the release branch/process.... or whether we need people that manage the plethora of staging trees that is potentially coming our way in the "new Factory" model.
So far we are pushing the problem around to different corners of the problem space but not true solution has emerged.
Yes, true and sad enough. So where is the conclusion? Whats the result, only the thread gets longer and longer.
We are in the first round, right after a proposal have been made. There will be a recap/summarizing phase and from there the picture might be way clearer. Or at least that is what I expect.
So finally (at least from my side):
1. We need more structure. If we got the problem that we have a one man "single point of failure" maybe we can easily add a second person and discuss next year that we have two persons as a "single point of failure". So in my eyes, we need structure, an instance above which sees the red line, which knows what needs to be done and mostly what is missing.
2. If we say we cant afford changes to the lifecycle, so we have a problem, but what is it? Is it our magical spell that everybody can contribute in the way he want? From all the discussion i thought we have such a huge contributor base, where does all the man power goes to?
3. So after everything i heard and wrote, we still need an higher authority, an committee, an board (called board for the rest of the mail) which holds the strings. Structuring it. Setup a roles and position page in the wiki, let a board decide where we need more man power, and let them do a "ask for help" via mailinglists and via wiki, maybe someone stands up and does it. But we must tell the people that we have an open position and tell them what they need to fill it. Given all the work of syncing and mentoring of a new guy to that single person we have identified is a really bad idea.
After all, this whole thread are only questions leading to answers leading to other questions. That doesnt solve problems. If we all think openSUSE (and maybe we should switch to OPENsuse) is great and awesome than we can drop the discussion, if we think okay, we hive some problems but it works, lets drop the threat. If all we respond to ideas saying that it does not work whithout adding new ideas to the thread, i guess we should stop the discussion now.
We have identified that we have a problem, but as it seems, 10 people and 10 problems.
Later, Robert
Thats it, my last 2 cent
Joerg
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