On 2024-04-11 09:23, Simon Lees wrote:
During the period of writing this email Someone has said something which is clearly a CoC violation and has been given a one and only warning, which I believe is fair if we are going to start properly enforcing higher standards after many years. Personally I'm slightly supprised its taken this long. But equally while I expect the CoC to be upheld I also don't believe in punishing people without evidence and due process.
During the process of writing this email, the board has also been given some more specific information about other instances that are more then just "Toilet Humor" and are clear CoC violations which again means appropriate action can actually be taken.
If I compare your responses in this thread with that of folk like Shawn, Attila and Gertjan I'm struck with the unshakable feeling that you're either utterly ignorant to their established positions in the community, or somehow believe your casual engagement for a couple of days somehow outweighs their expertise. Gertjan is both a Board member AND a most grizzled veteran forum moderator for ages Attila is our most active moderator on the busiest platforms we have these days Shawn's been around the block for years also and been consistently engaged in recurrently problematic communities with overly demanding entitled users I am at a loss how you could possibly think to overrule their opinions based on a brief overview of a channel which is clearly problematic. They have been using terms like "a kick in the nuts for moderators" and "the Board want to selectively enforce the Code of Conduct" to describe your responses on this thread. Now they need to read that their views were actually meaningless because the Board is only considering things now they've been given "specific information" Our moderators are there so the Board shouldn't need to be given "specific information".. our moderators should be trusted. I fear the attitude you are demonstrating here shows contempt for those who do significant work keeping our community aligned with our Code of Conduct. If those volunteers choose to no longer do that work, the Board will be increasingly burdened with more such nonsense, nonsense which you could have left to our moderators if you trusted them. I know that as of this thread, Attila is has already ceased moderating reddit and telegram. Shawn will be using his upcoming vacation to decide whether or not to continue working inside openSUSE. If he chooses not to I expect the death of his Kalpa project. This is already causing a greater loss to the openSUSE project than sensible moderation, or even the entire removal of #opensuse-chat would have been. I hope you re-evaluate your priorities as a Board member going forward because I do not think this is a sensible operating model. -- Richard Brown Distributions Architect SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstraße 146, D-90461 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Directors/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew McDonald, Werner Knoblich