On Thu 2020-04-16, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
My main concern is though and it's not totally new:
This is a fair concern, and one that we (openSUSE, SUSE,...) absolutely need to address -- and not just because of the current proposal, since as you point out your experience predates that.
I would have one prominent example about "mercurial". I guess most developers love to have more or less up to date version of their dev tools. This update request was rejected for obscure reasons (no they were not obscure, the reason was "we did not receive any business reasoning for the request").
Two immediate reactions: (1) Going forward I wish for us to change the default response to such a request that comes with an offer to do a key part of the work from "No, unless there is a good reason" to "Yes, unless there is a good reason". That does not mean that changing the default version of GCC becomes super likely, and non-code aspects such as QA efforts also will need to be considered, but "no business reasoning" ... rather not.
The upgrade request was moved into an internal product and is now closed to the openSUSE community so I cannot refer to it. And that for a package I maintained for several years.
And (2), moving things from openSUSE behind closed doors is unfortunate at best. We need to improve processes and tools to support more openness. On Thu 2020-04-16, Richard Brown wrote:
Without indulging in a post of my usual verbosity, I think the importance of ensuring that openSUSE contributors can contribute has not been given the priority it deserves.
Yes. Full stop. We need to improve tooling, processes, and then live that day to day. On Thu 2020-04-16, Lubos Kocman wrote:
SLE would like to treat openSUSE as a partner here. Process should be simple enough and offer fast-track for code-contributions.
Where contributors would be able to see request updates, be able to comment, exchange patches and so on.
+1
Until this is done I'd like to at least document the current situation and shed some light on it and improve where we can https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap/SLEFeatureRequests
Thank you for doing that, Lubos! Gerald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner@opensuse.org