Hello Carlos, please see my comments inline. On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 12:27 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-04-13 12:19, Ancor Gonzalez Sosa wrote:
On 4/13/22 12:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-04-13 10:21, Stefan Behlert wrote:
(Sending to both openuse-project as well as opensuse-factory. Please keep discussions on the -project list to make life easier for all.)
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Another important point is that we intend to split what was a more generic, everything is closely intertwined into two parts: One smaller hardware enabling piece, a kind of "host OS", and the and the layer providing and supporting applications, which will be container (and VM) based.
You mean that we users will have to run our openSUSE Linux in a virtualized machine, instead of our real hardware machine?
That's not at all what I understood from the paragraph you quoted.
To my eyes, it says the operating system will be separated into two parts:
1) a small core including only what is needed to interact with the hardware and to manage it, no matter whether that's real or virtual hardware (somehow similar to MicroOS[1]) 2) all the applications and user-space tools that will run as containers or virtual machines on top of that minimal core, way more isolated from each other and from the core compared to a current Leap in which all pieces are interconnected.
This is nuts.
Please explain.
Better now?
No, you are saying that in a year or two I will have to reinstall my desktop machine as small core system that runs a virtual machine inside having the all real things I use.
I don't see any advantage and a lot of complexity. For us plain users.
To my understanding workload focus that you seem to be worried about is for the server (such approach can be already seen on Leap Micro). I already had a conversation at the *weekly community meeting on the Workstation topic and I also touched it on Monday's meeting with Board. We'd like to collect community feedback on nowadays Leap workstation experience and ensure that we protect values that users like in general on Enterprise-y desktop/workstation. To my understanding plan is to have a workstation and community can participate on shaping it (Stefan B. mentioned on a Board a year of Linux desktop). Long story short idea was a blogpost related to the direction of Enterprise desktop linked with a high level survey for what people appreciate on Leap/SLE Wokrstation and make sure that we preserve the values. That idea seeemed to be accepted well on both sides. I believe it will be super useful to the newly forming Desktop workgroup within SUSE. We were just waiting for the official announcement and perhaps +two days to let the information sink in :-) There is another round of weekly meeting today in the evening. Feel free to join. [0] https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting
Cheers.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
-- Best regards Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager