2008/12/28 James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@opensuse.us>:
Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/27 James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@opensuse.us>:
Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/24 James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@opensuse.us>:
Rather than download, it's installation usage that would be most meaningful. If you already have 8.04.1 LTS, you won't re-download it
There's an optional survey like Debian, which is the application popularity thing. Of course there's the connections for update, which might give usable stats.
Does that sort of user, install an OS at all? Don't they just take what they get on the machine pre-installed?
After 7 years of XP , you would be amazed at how many people I have run into that have reinstalled per the vendors request. M$ sells thousands of copies of Vista in a box at Staples,Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.. Who is doing those installs?
Firstly often the vendor include a recovery partition, which puts machine back the way it was when delivered. The Vista DVD I received, actually would have been a preferable option, if it had had an easy way to get the vendor driver updates, because it was sans all the Crap-ware, with it's registration nagging, and threats made by software vendors, who seemed to presume non-subscriber was pirate, rather than an evaluator. Secondly, doesn't that undermine somewhat the idea that the users "just want stability". Frankly what I generally see, when I look at Windows machines are ones, un-upgraded hardware, OS same as purchase (or one installed by an 'expert' likely illegitimately), and very frequently without the security updates, despite all the nagging.
"I heard they made a new release, what was wrong with the old one? Can I trust it? Do we need to upgrade me?
"Rolling Release" with software packages getting upgraded, keeping most users on same version avoids that issue.
Doesn't simply having SUSE 12, with 12.0.0, 12.0.1, 12.1.0, 12.1.1, 12.2.1, 12.3.0 all updating themselves live to 12.3.1 (FINAL) avoid that trust problem. The idea of then having 12 (FINAL) being the core base for SLE, which provides solid OS and support for years, makes sense to me; but there's the problem of security updates. Charging for those to non-enterprise Home user types, would probably result in low take up, and unpatched machines, even if an Upgrade to a 13.X Release was possible.
the new Installations of 11.1 have been of the "because it's there" variety, something newer has come out, and folk don't like to be on last years 'model'. Many are upgrading too early and being disappointed, leading to much vocal comment in forum and email lists.
He would even find rolling updates annoying, He wants to think less
Viruses, worms, mal-ware are all annoying; security updates are a must, and probably the default should be to have them installed automatically if they have not been applied within 72 hours. The delay, permits patch updates, or recall in event of it causing trouble of kind, that should be avoided.
So SLE does not include all the packages it might, which leads to installing openSUSE rpm's, which later become unsupported?
Correct. SLE comes with very little outside the distributed package set. Worse, not to many people care to build RPM's for it either. Even the OBS rarely has RPM's for SLE. The SLE build should not be a choice, it should be a default.
Makes sense to me, openSUSE is sponsered by Novell, so I would hope they'd benefit from OBS. There may be a problem if software depends on new libraries however, not sure how they handle that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org