On 7/17/24 11:04, Bill Schouten wrote:
Simon,
"I think we can work towards a new governance system without having rolls that tell people what to do. We are a community of volunteers who will volunteer there time where they see fit (Including looking at better governance)"
--> I respectively disagree wholeheartedly. Without any sense of direction, vision, guidance, and leadership, we will remain stagnant where we are. I understand we are a community of volunteers, but in many other non-paid groups, there are still leaders who delegate responsibilities and roles to other members and act as the central reporting and communications channel to the community at-large. That's what most boards and/or leadership groups are tasked with doing at the heart of the mission, or goal of the project.
"Under our current system people can't tell anyone what to do, in certain cases they can tell people they can't do something, such as you can't submit that update as it doesn't meet our current packaging standards or as part of a conflict resolution process the board may tell someone they can't do something, personally I don't want to see that aspect of our governance changing. At the same time we could do a better job of guiding people who want to be guided into the most useful places. Which is something the current board struggles to have time for in its current format."
Excellent points from both of you. One thought I have is that KDE has defined goals https://community.kde.org/Goals. These goals are proposed and voted on every two years. There are probably other ideas that can help reach a middle ground between your points. Another thought from a new guy is that it is not clear to me who votes on what when. In some projects, there is a clearly defined set of rules around proposals and voting procedures. It seems to me that there are a number of scopes and that local-rule is a good process. For example, only Kalpa developers should probably vote on Kalpa issues, while larger group (e.g., Kalpa and Aeon developers) should decide MicroOS related issues, and so on. But, this begs the larger question I see...what and who defines what it means to be a part of those subsets. I hope this makes sense. -- Tony Walker <tony.walker.opensource@gmail.com> PGP Key @ https://tonywalker1.github.io/pgp 9F46 D66D FF6C 182D A5AC 11E1 8559 98D1 7543 319C